Korg Triton VSTi?

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KVRian
1243 posts since 24 Oct, 2003 from Maine

Post Fri Jan 07, 2005 11:47 am

Examples of sloppy gui desigh:

The Korg logo at the top right is horizontally off center

The modwheel is horizontally off center

The Korg logo under the LCD is vertically off center

Zoom in at the bottom right near the gradiant, theres a sharp line where it changes... no feathering or anything. The line goes all the way through the GUI.

Just seems too sloppy to be real

KVRAF
2130 posts since 14 Feb, 2003

Post Fri Jan 07, 2005 11:49 am

Size: 3.6GB Compressed DVD image

Right :roll:

KVRAF
2336 posts since 13 Oct, 2002 from Terra Firma

Post Fri Jan 07, 2005 12:43 pm

There was a big debate about whether Access TI was real. I firmly believed it to be a hoax right up until the official announcement. I just couldn't imagine such a high spec synth being released. But I was wrong, wrong, wronnnng! (even though we have yet to see it in the flesh. :hihi: )

I could be totally wrong, wrong, etc. about this but it could be true. Stranger things have happened. I'm not so certain that poorly designed images (mock ups) necessarily mean it's a hoax. Mock ups are used by design and advertising teams all the time. That is until close to release date.

Sometimes these mock ups are pretty poor but they're used none the less to give a flavour of what's to come for the management board who decide whether to run with the idea or not. I'm just speculating about why the images might look the way they do.

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KVRAF
3944 posts since 7 May, 2004 from behind his workbench

Post Fri Jan 07, 2005 12:46 pm

if its not true, can anyone please make a triton with SE? :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

would be cool! :oops: :lol: :lol: :hihi:
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KVRAF
2130 posts since 14 Feb, 2003

Post Fri Jan 07, 2005 12:47 pm

sonicfire wrote:if its not true, can anyone please make a triton with SE? :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

would be cool! :oops: :lol: :lol: :hihi:
Samples are copyrighted, sonic, that's definitely a no-go.

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KVRAF
3944 posts since 7 May, 2004 from behind his workbench

Post Fri Jan 07, 2005 12:49 pm

:( too bad. ok, then change every sound into something else and call the whole thing...erm...."prison" :hihi: :hihi: :hihi: :lol: :lol:
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KVRAF
1884 posts since 9 Feb, 2004 from Rochester, MN

Post Fri Jan 07, 2005 2:03 pm

munchkin wrote:There was a big debate about whether Access TI was real. I firmly believed it to be a hoax right up until the official announcement. I just couldn't imagine such a high spec synth being released. But I was wrong, wrong, wronnnng! (even though we have yet to see it in the flesh. :hihi: )

I could be totally wrong, wrong, etc. about this but it could be true. Stranger things have happened. I'm not so certain that poorly designed images (mock ups) necessarily mean it's a hoax. Mock ups are used by design and advertising teams all the time. That is until close to release date.

Sometimes these mock ups are pretty poor but they're used none the less to give a flavour of what's to come for the management board who decide whether to run with the idea or not. I'm just speculating about why the images might look the way they do.
Yeah, but if it has already been cracked, that implies that the coding is done, and the product is near ready to ship. The GUI would then have to be near final. I suppose strange things can happen, but a traditional company like Korg isn't going to ship a product on the day it's announced.

I'm not ruling out the possibility of a software Triton ever, but it's not going to happen this NAMM.

What's the big deal about the Triton anyway?

KVRist
415 posts since 18 Dec, 2003

Post Fri Jan 07, 2005 2:31 pm

""What's the big deal about the Triton anyway?""

It's just kick ass. First of all , it has the highest quality keybed in the business. Feels great. Secondly, it has a 6 voice Z1 option, which is a kick ass physical modelling synth that can make sounds you never heard of. Third, every setting and patch can be wiped out and put in with your own stuff. Thousands of em. Fourth - it has a nice sampler. Fifth - it has a nice sequencer . Sixth -it has a very creative workflow. If you enjoy songwriting or producing you can get ideas down quick and store them. It's a great sketchpad. It has dual programmable arrpegiators, good controls, a touch screen. It feels solid. It can be anything you want it to be.

Personally, I find it to be a champ at motion synth sounds, pads, choirs ,strings. With the z1 option added it's a real nice VA, Electric piano, flyte, brass, weird sound machine.

I have used atmosphere, sampletank, etc and the Triton just blows them out of the water. With Reaktor, a maxxed Triton and something like the andromeda 6 you would have an insane world of power. For 4500$ you would have something that would be more flexible and blow most people's setups out of the water.

It wont do it all, but it does alot. And perhaps the best thing about it is it's a fantastic piece of live gear. The layering splits and combi setups for live performances are the shit. You can setup a combi for each song live. one octace could be a synth lead. The next octave could be a piano. the c5,c6,and c7 keys could all have independent weird sampled effects triggered by the dual arps. Keys d4-c3 could be a monster bass sound, etc etc. thn for the next song you could just dial to the next combi which is setup exactly for that specific song in one second. It's very flexible and powerful.

For live use though you would want a littl portable mixer to make sure everything sounds good through the pa. half the time shit you think will come through clear while listning on your monitors doesnt come through at all live.

d2
KVRist
34 posts since 28 Oct, 2003

Post Fri Jan 07, 2005 2:43 pm

... that this is a hoax is the fact that there are pitch/modulation wheels on the GUI.

Korg uses no such wheels on their Triton products. It's doubtful that they would allow a GUI designer to put a "competetive feature" like that on a software product.

KVRist
282 posts since 1 Jul, 2004

Post Fri Jan 07, 2005 2:49 pm

I don't see pitch/mod wheels, i see a joystick...

KVRist
159 posts since 9 Apr, 2004

Post Fri Jan 07, 2005 3:01 pm

this is so fake, i'm certain.

I thought the Access TI was real though when I first saw it, though.
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KVRer
1 posts since 7 Jan, 2005 from The Netherlands

Post Fri Jan 07, 2005 3:14 pm

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Hey. I'm the guy who did this mock-up. Thanks for spotting it in time; it was yanked to avoid further spreading.

The reason I built this was because the forum I visit from time to time (Synthforum.nl) had a certain user who kept asking everyone in the forum's chat whether they had a Triton, and if it -did- contain those true hit flavoured sounds, and how it sounded, how it played - generally everything you can find out when you go visit a music store and try one yourself.
After much ado, he finally got to score a Triton rack for 800 euros.

So, as a kind of very, very nerdish and far-far-FAR-fetched "payback", I decided to make a Triton VST to see if he'd regret his purchase and wanted to sell it before it might drop in value, especially with a 'free' warez version floating around.

After the screenshots were posted - well.. that's exactly how he reacted. We could barely keep him from selling his newly acquired Triton rack.

Also, 12 people sent me private messages to ask me if I'd please please please share that Triton VST with them, regardless of burning them a DVD and sending it to them or opening the gates of my pathetic broadband connection and uploading it to them.

Go figure ;).

So, the joke worked. But not for long, and the day after it was created the hoax was published. Everyone got a good laugh from it.

Now, to answer the critics:

I made it VSTi from an aesthetic point of view. I'm a bit of a font man, and Adobe Garamond Bold looks better with a lowercase letter behind it. Since the "VSTi" name is used too, I decided that it wouldn't hurt.

The interface looks botched. Actually, the most visible 'fault' in there should be that the encoders have a 12-part scale around them with 2 parts missing. In my mockup, those 2 parts were still there. But there's more.

The original Triton relies heavily on the touch screen and the Value slider. Something like a mouse is already a lot more versatile than anything a value slider could do, and I thought that Triton users already used to the interface would demand some kind of software equivalent for the touchscreen. That's why I didn't make a Triton rack software mockup; there's enough pixels for everyone, so why not?

The extra rotary knobs on the side are for show. A software controller with rotaries and a few buttons would be able to replace it without requiring a boatload of rotaries and still keeping track of what's going on. The original Triton only has 4 knobs - plus 3 extra who serve to set the tempo, gate and velocity. Tempo is useless in a sequencer, gate and velocity are solved more elegantly in the Arpeggiator menu (which is why I included the button).

I admit that its layout doesn't look like the happiest of softsynths. I was in a hurry, and if you've seen other ROMpler VST's such as SampleTank the interface is tailored and the rest is handled with pretty graphics. Here, it simply had to resemble a Triton, and include the touch screen for familiarity. Also notice how the red lights on the knobs kind of suck; again, copy/pasting :). A Triton wastes a lot of synth real estate just because it has to fill up the space between the keys and still 'spread'. Here the keys are only an extra for show.

The modwheels and the joystick on the Polysix and Wavestation are copied from existing designs. Giving a Triton wheels instead of a stick would be blasphemy. I should've thought of making the joystick's slot rounded, though. As for a joystick as a bender; sure, the idea is lamentable (thanks to Roland with their impossibly stiff benders going up - they're finally realizing it) but Korg implemented it well. Even then - benders, just like keys, on a VST - are for show. Nobody actually looks at them for reference, it's more bells & whistles than anything else and a neat check if your controller works.

The NAMM date was simply because Korg already hinted at something new and big, and April 1st would still take 4 months to arrive.

Korg have worked really hard to get their current sample library - even if that still includes that old M1 piano. Same goes for Roland, Yamaha - and especially E-mu. E-mu had to leave hardware territory and re-released all their stuff in software form.

Korg might do the same in the future if that New Big Monster (Oh wait - that word is copyrighted - aww, screw that. No doubt that you've learned the lesson of the Bahn Sage - very few people buy such gargantuan do-it-all synths) tanks like a Titanic. Computer memory is cheap, digital filters don't have to be as high-spec as their analog emulation counterparts, so enough room for samples and enough convenience to make a comprehensive library from them. The main thing holding them back is warez - because it doesn't cost them anything to duplicate it, it also means that it doesn't cost release groups to duplicate it, or Joe Schmoe with any P2P app running in the background.

Also, thanks for detecting the little errors of stuff being off-center. There I thought I could trust Photoshop's guides :roll: :).

As for the VST/AU stuff - hey, it was 3 AM. It was already hard enough to come up with marketing slogans, even worse to invent a new, believable Tri-something name.

As for the warez - well, that got me the reactions. Everyone can mock up a GUI, but people get this tingling feeling in their pants when it looks like someone's -already- running it.

In terms of uglyness: granted, I'll give you that. I used the Triton Studio's silver-ish gradient on the bender twice; once for the bender, once for the frontpanel. Static grey would've been too easy. I thought I'd added Noise and did Motion blurs enough, but apparently not ;).

Used were :

Korg logo - www.brandsoftheworld.com (http://www.brandsoftheworld.com)
Triton - font is Gill Sans
Cutoff/Reso - font is Futura Book
VSTi - font is Adobe Garamond Bold Italic
Blue triangle stuff - my own, based on the Trinity/Triton thingies.
Homebuilt keys based on the Arturia CS80v's ones - reworked to get rid of the JPG artifacts - I know the Legacy ones are more 3d
Screenshot from the Triton Extreme manual in PDF

and of course Photoshop, Illustrator, 3 cans of Red Bull, and Doritos Nacho cheese.

Thanks for your criticism. I can certainly learn from it next time I fix something like this ;).

It also shows how well you look at it if nobody noticed yet that the mockup only had 60 keys - instead of 61.

*collective groaning ensues*

KVRian
1144 posts since 9 Jan, 2004 from tOKYO

Post Fri Jan 07, 2005 3:54 pm

:hihi: :hihi: :hihi:
Not bad meaning bad but bad meaning good

KVRist
476 posts since 28 Jun, 2002 from Vancouver, Canada

Post Fri Jan 07, 2005 3:57 pm

Fun. Thanks for spending the time. :D

(stu.macQ)

KVRist
498 posts since 29 Jul, 2002 from Chicago

Post Fri Jan 07, 2005 4:11 pm

Hey thanks for letting us know, especially the technical details:)

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