Suno

[sagetone]

A friend of mine started using ChatGPT when it was first publicly available in November 2022. He has dug in deep since. He knows I'm a musician, so he told me about a song tool he used to make Christmas songs for his kids, suno.ai. I visited suno.ai today and it's a mind blower. I asked my wife if I may be out of a job. I know there has already been some discussion in this forum about AI tools. What are your thoughts on tools like Suno?

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Oh, and Happy Holidays!

[Milkman]

I cant relate to people who would consider "ai" art creation. I know better on many levels, having been a tech worker for close to 40 years, a musician for 20, a dad for 20+, etc. I would never allow tech companies to sell (or give) me such products - products that steal, reiterate, siphon, transfer wealth, and bankrupt us at more than just a financial level.

We would have to alter the basic economics of the western economies that created "ai" tools to even begin to reduce or remove the perverse incentives that exist to misuse this at the labor, policing, military, psych, retail etc, spaces, and that is probably not happening tomorrow so.... should we just lay down in front of the oncoming train voluntarily? I say no, we shouldnt.

[JHernandez]

I'm not impressed by that thing at all, beyond the tech. It sounds generic, robotic, and soulless to me. I could not connect to anything I heard, or "made" there, and that matters to me. Maybe it's because I do not listen to modern music so I still know what human sounds like? IDK, but it's just not doing it for me. That said, I did not try anything in the realm of pure instrumental electronic music. With a few exceptions, It's not really my thing anyway.

That all said, I'm not against AI as it is currently. I'm sure it's going to be a big mess in the future, and I likely won't like it.

I don't know what your job is, but most people tend to connect to musicians, as in people, no matter the quality of music, it would seem.

[Jac459]

I cant relate to people who would consider "ai" art creation. I know better on many levels, having been a tech worker for close to 40 years, a musician for 20, a dad for 20+, etc. I would never allow tech companies to sell (or give) me such products - products that steal, reiterate, siphon, transfer wealth, and bankrupt us at more than just a financial level.

We would have to alter the basic economics of the western economies that created "ai" tools to even begin to reduce or remove the perverse incentives that exist to misuse this at the labor, policing, military, psych, retail etc, spaces, and that is probably not happening tomorrow so.... should we just lay down in front of the oncoming train voluntarily? I say no, we shouldnt.

I certainly don't disagree, but this train is a bullet train and is coming for us hard and strong.

In a world led by US values which are less and less social, I can't help but to be very very pessimistic on the kind of wealth "distribution" AI will generate. More for the richer, less for the poorer.
We were having 3 people richer than the bottom 50% of the US population, soon it will be 99% of the US population.

"The gap between rich and poor has grown over the past 50 years due to the CEO-to-worker compensation ratio expanding. Some economists theorize that this gap is the largest it has been since right before the Great Depression."

Fortunately, when signet will take control and decide on doomsday, these kind of issues will auto solve.

[FakeNatty]

it's pretty useless outside any goofing around with music generation.

by the time i figure out how to exactly "prompt" it to generate the music I want, I might as well have used that time to learn how to make the music myself.

many like to trick others with the false hope of "imagine how good it's gonna get in a few years". It's the crypto for music production that goes back to the old saying, "don't dig for gold, sell shovels". Suno, Udio, whatever else out there are these shovels.

the problem isn't these platforms are soooo good that they will replace artists. The problem is they will use money and political influence to force these shitty AI "art" onto every corner of the world and do whatever they can to block human artists from sharing their art.

[Funk Dracula]

I don't want to delve too deep into the weeds on this but I will say the following; It's not just music where we need to worry about AI replacing humans. It's everywhere. Call centers, programmers, teachers.. it'll work it's way up to replacing surgeons... just everywhere.

This is literally going to boil over across the globe and result in violence. It is what it is and there is no way you can't expect that result. You can't mass replace the entire world's workforce like this unless the entire world is willing to somehow switch from everybody needing to generate individual capital over to some communist utopia/universal income system. There's going to be people "crashing out" everywhere as a result of their desperation. India, China, Europe, United States, you name it.. everywhere. And the more humans that are out of work, the more poverty and crime there will be. Getting on top of this is literally a priority of economics and how that plays into how safe and peaceful a society is. Scary shit...

The AI music thing is straight up theft. I mean, it's f**king hilarious how it really is just straight up theft. But the AI music thing is small potatoes compared to what's on the horizon for all of society regarding an AI workforce.

[Chameleonman]

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[Chameleonman]

Haven't try Suno, only Udio.
It was funny to recognize some of the real singers it used as a learning material. I even recognized one of the audio watermark jingle from one of the youtube DJ who has some 70s soul in his channel. Udio did mimic that as like it was a part of that style of music. That also revealed it's learning from the regular unofficial youtube videos.

It was also funny how the AI in Udio has some recognizable manners with the lyrics. No matter what was the music genre it made often some mystic and poetic lyrics. Lot of ancient this and that, and the moon and the stars something.

I also recognize how it sounds. The sound quality feels kind of low because all the highs are so soft. But I would like that if the effect wouldn't be so drastic. I compared the highs to my own music and desided to make a little softening to my own highs also. I took the multiband container and made the attack slower above the 4k. It helped.

AI tools in a DAW would be useless to me. Maybe some one shot sample creating thing would be fun but if it then requires always the internet it would be better without it.

[Antel00p]

What people forget is that all these services needs some form of revenue to support the staggering costs of running and training the models.

As we know; most musicians are either working another job to pay the bills, struggling to make ends meet or are just making music as a hobby. It’s basically the most stupid and unprofitable market to try and get into. Not to mention Openai who yet hasn’t made a single dollar in profits and they’re selling their services to big companies and so on.

I’m not worried and I don’t think any musician should be.

[Muzik4Life]

Scientists have created an AI, and asked it, "Is there a God?"

The AI replied, "Insufficient computing power to determine an answer."

The scientists connected the AI to a powerful supercomputer and gave it access to Wikipedia, and asked it again, "Is there a God?"

Again, the AI replied, "Insufficient computing power to determine an answer."

So the scientists put the AI on a distributed cluster of millions of computers and gave it access to all the data on the Google, then once again asked it, "Is there a God?"

And yet again, the AI replied, "Insufficient computing power to determine an answer".

The scientists spend years and years, and finally got the AI to be installed on every supercomputer, network, PC, console, mobile device, smartwatch, anything with a chip. They gave the AI access to every database, website, book, social media platform, every piece of software ever written and every piece of knowledge ever obtained by mankind. And for the last time, they asked the AI, "Is there a God?"

The AI replied, "There is *now*."


Morning all

[Jac459]

Scientists have created an AI, and asked it, "Is there a God?"

The AI replied, "Insufficient computing power to determine an answer."

The scientists connected the AI to a powerful supercomputer and gave it access to Wikipedia, and asked it again, "Is there a God?"

Again, the AI replied, "Insufficient computing power to determine an answer."

So the scientists put the AI on a distributed cluster of millions of computers and gave it access to all the data on the Google, then once again asked it, "Is there a God?"

And yet again, the AI replied, "Insufficient computing power to determine an answer".

The scientists spend years and years, and finally got the AI to be installed on every supercomputer, network, PC, console, mobile device, smartwatch, anything with a chip. They gave the AI access to every database, website, book, social media platform, every piece of software ever written and every piece of knowledge ever obtained by mankind. And for the last time, they asked the AI, "Is there a God?"

The AI replied, "There is *now*."


Morning all

This is the plot of one of the best Isaac Asimov story.

Except that the question asked is "can we reverse anthropy" (because the world is dying in the plot).
And the final answer of the computer is:

"Let there be light!"
And there was light.

[lunardigs]

.... "Is there a God?"

The AI replied, "There is *now*."

Morning all

I could see that punchline coming from mile away

[Jac459]

.... "Is there a God?"

The AI replied, "There is *now*."

Morning all

I could see that punchline coming from mile away

Let there be light is better imho.

[lunardigs]

.... "Is there a God?"

The AI replied, "There is *now*."

Morning all

I could see that punchline coming from mile away

Let there be light is better imho.

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