RipX DAW vs UVR for Drum Separation

[tommyzai]

Transit,
1. You're ^%&%*(.
2. Why are posting on this thread? You don't believe in this kind of software, so why post?
3. In conclusion, LOL!

[Trancit]

Or when working with your own archive material where:

• the sessions have been lost over time

• the sessions are in an archaic format that can't be loaded any more

• there was never a session in the first place i.e. straight-to-stereo recording

• the individual stems of the session comprise multiple elements for whatever reason e.g. bounces

etc, etc.

In fact, this is what I've spent more time doing over the past year over anything else.

I have many ORIGINAL studio recordings from the 90s that either have vocals I'm not happy with or a drum groove I dig and would like to re-use. I no longer have access to the individual tracks, which are now known as "stems." So, "robbing from others" is not the only use for drum separation!

This is why I changed my sentence to "(mostly)" ...
Yes... there might be very very rare situations where you could do stuff like this on your music or other things you´ve got the rights for...

But how many times do you think this is the case with all people crying for stem seperation??
Less than 1%... or perhaps even less than 0.1%...?

With all other cases we are talking about robbing other peoples work... nothing more... nothing less!

[Trancit]

Sorry but I stay with my opinion... there is (mostly) no reason to use something like this apart from stealing and the inability/laziness to do your own stuff.

Get a grip. What serious musician has ever gotten good without playing any music written by others, let alone without even studying others music, which this is also useful for. You think Chopin would think people are lazy for playing his tunes? Have you ever heard of karaoke? I suppose you think people should write their own song every time they feel like singing along to something - to sing their favourite songs by others would be lazy. By the way Apple music has stem separation built in to let you sing along to songs because this is something everyone does. How lazy of them.

Even that this is the case in the "industry"... it doesn´t make it better...

And that´s why I wrote in my first post my opinion seems not to be not very popular amongst many...
Learning and achieving something on your own you personally came up with, seems nowadays more to be a shame than an achievement... this is how far we already came as a "society"...

[whyterabbyt]

Learning and achieving something on your own you personally came up with, seems nowadays more to be a shame than an achievement... this is how far we already came as a "society"...

what complete bullshit.

[Trancit]

Learning and achieving something on your own you personally came up with, seems nowadays more to be a shame than an achievement... this is how far we already came as a "society"...

what complete bullshit.

Really??
I don´t think so ...
And if I would really need to explain it with all of the obvious facts, I fear teaching a cow chess would be easier...

We leave it at this... if you guys are thinking it´s the better way than making your own drums, I don´t want to disturb you any longer...

[tommyzai]

Trancit,
Please consider avoiding threads you don't believe in. You have contributed absolutely nothing to this thread but negativity. Focus on things you dig . . . stay positive. This thread is titled, "RipX DAW vs UVR for Drum Separation."
Thank you.
Tommy Zai

[whyterabbyt]

And if I would really need to explain it with all of the obvious facts, I fear teaching a cow chess would be easier...

Your failure to grasp 'obvous facts' doesnt indicate someone who could tell a cow from a chessboard in the first place.

We leave it at this... if you guys are thinking it´s the better way than making your own drums, I don´t want to disturb you any longer...

No that's not what we're thinking, its just what some dimwitted arsehole is trying to pretend we're thinking so they can spout some complete bullshit.

[el-bo (formerly ebow)]

With all other cases we are talking about robbing other peoples work... nothing more... nothing less!

I've used stem separation to remove drum tracks from popular songs, so that I can practice finger-drumming. Am I robbing people?

[tommyzai]

With all other cases we are talking about robbing other peoples work... nothing more... nothing less!

I've used stem separation to remove drum tracks from popular songs, so that I can practice finger-drumming. Am I robbing people?

The Beatles "borrowed" and so did every songwriter, musician, and producer who ever lived. We get inspired by bits of other music and make it our own. In my case, I'm using extraction for education purposes (deconstructing songs) and for separating MY old tracks.

The question remains . . . What is the best software for drum separation. Is it RipX DAW, UVR, or other?

[el-bo (formerly ebow)]

What is the best software for drum separation. Is it RipX DAW, UVR, or other?

Have you demoed them?

[starflakeprj]

I haven't tried this myself, but it should work (if you also own EZdrummer 3 or Superior Drummer 2 (probably).
Use any stem separator, import the drums stem into any of the above mentioned apps, and then you will have clean drums (possibly with some extra work).

[tommyzai]

What is the best software for drum separation. Is it RipX DAW, UVR, or other?

Have you demoed them?

I am having trouble demoing UVR as there are so many models and parameter options. I'm having trouble telling the difference between each . . . probably because the ringing in my ears is masking what I'm hearing. So, I'm wondering what other fresh ears are concluding.

[Tj Shredder]

And I cannot help myself and I know it´s not very popular amongst many but I have the feeling you should do better your own stuff instead of robbing from others...

That's very narrow-minded. Stem separators can be used to separate AI-generated songs in order to process vocals or instrumentation. Can also be used to eliminate voices from environments. Or grab an embedded riff to try and learn it. Or remove an instrument so you can play.

Why is that narrow minded??
-to separate AI-generated songs in order to process vocals or instrumentation
First AI generated songs is a topic to avoid anyway imho...it does no good at all but can harm a lot!
Second it´s not yours no matter what... you want to process vocals or instruments not created by you...
Do your own stuff and if you are not able to...learn it like all others did!

-Can also be used to eliminate voices from environments
Now that´s for sure a very very rare case and I am not sure how the result would sound...

-Or grab an embedded riff to try and learn it
There are enough other ways to learn... not need to learn this way by taking again something not made by you...
Second... what do you want to learn here?? How to do the exact same thing like sombody else did??

-Or remove an instrument so you can play.
This makes again just sense if you use all the other stuff not made by you...
Do your own stuff and don´t steal from others!

Sorry but I stay with my opinion... there is (mostly) no reason to use something like this apart from stealing and the inability/laziness to do your own stuff.

It seems you are not in an area where this is helpful and has nothing to do with robbing. Not the slightest! Imagine you got a recording from your own school band from 20 years ago and want to remix it…
I just had a live recording from a friend of mine with a mic too close to the guitar in a room. To simply rebalance the voice was something you couldn’t do some years ago…
Transcribe an improvisational jam etc…
There are a million use cases which are more in the restauration area than elsewhere…

[tgryner5tn5686b3456b]

UVR5 is the best option. It's not even a contest. RipX DAW, and all other DAWs, are just using the same models under the hood, while not exposing all of the options those models offer. UVR5 allows you to select any model you want, with whatever settings you want, so you aren't just limited to the usual Demucs v4 FT "quick results in exchange for low quality" options that these paid DAWs offer.

[tommyzai]

Just wish the audio quality was better than 44.1. I will need to resample up