OB-Xf by Surge Synth Team

[whassup]

Don't hold your breath, though...

I will in fact do just that and if it doesn't materialize in time and i died - it's _your_ fault.

Oh no! One of my sound design heroes dying because of some cool Japanese guy didn't get his sushi sorted in time...

[Teksonik]

Now if only we could get the synth 1 source base.... we've tried....

Now you're talking! I'd love to see Synth 1 get updated and/or upgraded.

We can get the Synth1 codebase. Here's an open call for reverse engineers to join our fray!

Only if you can get explicit permission from Ichiro Toda. Don't start reverse engineering code without the blessing of the original developer.

[seafire]

Now if only we could get the synth 1 source base.... we've tried....

Now you're talking! I'd love to see Synth 1 get updated and/or upgraded.

It would need to be updated/upgraded a hell of a lot to even touch today's synths. That would make it unrecognisable, so prob best to leave it in the past

[EvilDragon]

Only if you can get explicit permission from Ichiro Toda. Don't start reverse engineering code without the blessing of the original developer.

That's not how reverse engineering works.

It is fair game for abandonware.

[lobanov]

Only if you can get explicit permission from Ichiro Toda. Don't start reverse engineering code without the blessing of the original developer.

There is a path of a "faithfull emulation". Regarding the current cult of emulations it is legal.

[Teksonik]

Only if you can get explicit permission from Ichiro Toda. Don't start reverse engineering code without the blessing of the original developer.

That's not how reverse engineering works.
It is fair game for abandonware.

That not how Intellectual Property Rights work. Just because the development of something is abandoned it doesn't mean the Intellectual Property Rights have expired and even if they have legally expired, taking someone else's work without permission is a dick move. Don't be a George.

If you can't get in contact with Ichiro and get his blessings and consent then leave his code alone out of the respect he has earned in this business.

[Teksonik]

Only if you can get explicit permission from Ichiro Toda. Don't start reverse engineering code without the blessing of the original developer.

There is a path of a "faithfull emulation". Regarding the current cult of emulations it is legal.

There's also "do something original without taking the work of others path". Never confuse legality with morality.

[audiojunkie]

Only if you can get explicit permission from Ichiro Toda. Don't start reverse engineering code without the blessing of the original developer.

That's not how reverse engineering works.

It is fair game for abandonware.

Soooo..... You're saying that all of the discontinued Kontakt plugins and packages of the past are fair game for someone to reverse engineer? After all.....it's abandonware.....

I think you mean "Clean Room Reverse Engineering". Like WINE or ReactOS does.... There's dirty room reverse engineering, and that is probably not allowed or legal.

[Vortifex]

Last update for Synth1 was 2021 for Mac support. Maybe not abandonware. I think he's probably just happy with where the synth is and doesn't feel like he needs to work on it besides bugfixes and compatibility. Just a guess though. Still, it would be very cool if he'd collab on a fresh update or at least make it open source.

[EvilDragon]

I think you mean "Clean Room Reverse Engineering". Like WINE or ReactOS does.... There's dirty room reverse engineering, and that is probably not allowed or legal.

Yeah clean room.

[whassup]

I think you mean "Clean Room Reverse Engineering". Like WINE or ReactOS does.... There's dirty room reverse engineering, and that is probably not allowed or legal.

Yeah clean room.

I know it is hijacking all over but what would you do to Synth1?

[EvilDragon]

IMO (in no particular order):

- Better GUI
- Better patch browser (remove support for zipbanks, it is extremely kludgey how that was implemented - instead support unlimited unpacked banks rather than hardcoding them to 100)
- Double-click on knobs resets parameters to default value (SO annoying it doesn't do that!)
- Additional mod matrix slots (also adding some additional targets - not just MIDI controllers)
- MPE and MTS-ESP support
- Built-in oversampling

[whassup]

IMO (in no particular order):

- Better GUI
- Better patch browser (remove support for zipbanks, it is extremely kludgey how that was implemented - instead support unlimited unpacked banks rather than hardcoding them to 100)
- Double-click on knobs resets parameters to default value (SO annoying it doesn't do that!)
- Additional mod matrix slots (also adding some additional targets - not just MIDI controllers)
- MPE and MTS-ESP support
- Built-in oversampling

Thank you! Sounds great to me!

[ampetrosillo]

Now if only we could get the synth 1 source base.... we've tried....

Now you're talking! I'd love to see Synth 1 get updated and/or upgraded.

We can get the Synth1 codebase. Here's an open call for reverse engineers to join our fray!

Only if you can get explicit permission from Ichiro Toda. Don't start reverse engineering code without the blessing of the original developer.

Reverse engineering does not necessarily mean disassembling. Reverse engineering in its purest sense means basically looking at the output based on the input and trying to understand what the black box in the middle is doing. In the context of a softsynth, play a note, see what comes out, play another note, see what comes out, use the pitchbend, see what comes out, sweep the filter, etc.

[Echoes in the Attic]

Now if only we could get the synth 1 source base.... we've tried....

How about the PG-8X?