Bargain Center: discussion, gossip, etc.

[Uncle E]

There was an old plugin that allowed you to set different volume, filter, and pan per 16th note. It was a great way to use small parts of a loop or transform it into something else. Also, it tempo matched via pitch shifting, so loops were almost always out of key.

[milesdeem]

The discussion about loops is kinda silly when considering entire genres have been made from sampling loops from the music of others, but I guess its all ok when you find/sample the loop yourself, even though in the end it is exactly the same as far as whether you "wrote" the music

[elxsound]

The discussion about loops is kinda silly when considering entire genres have been made from sampling loops from the music of others, but I guess its all ok when you find/sample the loop yourself, even though in the end it is exactly the same as far as whether you "wrote" the music

It’s a bit of a useless argument since some of the people sharing their opinions have the same opinion for decades.

Many people attribute loops use to song kits, where people just slap one loop with another, unchanged and then call themselves an artist or a producer.

Explaining what else can be done with recorded sounds might be like talking to a wall.

I’ve gotten more in the habit of making something in a particular style, and then sampling from that instead of using someone else’s loops but I don’t have anything against it because the end result is pretty much the same.

[telecharge]

The discussion about loops is kinda silly when considering entire genres have been made from sampling loops from the music of others, but I guess its all ok when you find/sample the loop yourself, even though in the end it is exactly the same as far as whether you "wrote" the music

It's just one of those subjects that will be endlessly debated like PC/Mac, iLok, subscriptions, product managers, etc.

I still like this little parable...
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[waxtrax]

Perfect

[BBFG#]

There was once a musician that played a zither. He searched for teachers that could help him master it. The zither gave him music, which expressed the soul. One day he was asked what he would do if he lost his zither and it frightened him. But he soon realized that the zither could not play itself. He realized that his cultivation was not merely for the acquisition of skills. It was a path to the innermost part of his being.
~Deng Ming-Dao (Laoist)

If you do your own loops, then you are still on that path.
If you use others, then you're just funding theirs.
Thing is, many people can tell the difference whose soul is being expressed.

[Kurdish Mayfield]

The discussion about loops is kinda silly when considering entire genres have been made from sampling loops from the music of others, but I guess its all ok when you find/sample the loop yourself, even though in the end it is exactly the same as far as whether you "wrote" the music

I truly couldnt believe I was seeing a discussion about the efficacy of loops and how proud some folks were that their music (and they) were better than others for not using them. This kind of discussion is what drove music forums 25 - 30 years ago. It really shows the long term effects of no apparent moderation in a once vital forum. When silly arguments are allowed to span pages and pages then marginal thinkers feel that their silly points should also be heard. We're in a time when nearly every daw has quality stem separation so even the worst loop can have some use in the hands of users who come down from their high horses and make some effort

[BBFG#]

Most of us are mature enough to try and avoid traps of "better" or "best". (Although no one has escaped it completely.)
Maybe this is more about the je ne sais quois or sine qua non. Those arguing for their use will be the same people that will have the next wave of their AI doing it all and proclaiming they did it all themselves.

To each their own. Just don't be surprised when it sounds as contrived and derivative as everyone else using the same.

[Uncle E]

There was once a musician that played a zither. He searched for teachers that could help him master it. The zither gave him music, which expressed the soul. One day he was asked what he would do if he lost his zither and it frightened him. But he soon realized that the zither could not play itself. He realized that his cultivation was not merely for the acquisition of skills. It was a path to the innermost part of his being.
~Deng Ming-Dao (Laoist)

If you do your own loops, then you are still on that path.
If you use others, then you're just funding theirs.
Thing is, many people can tell the difference whose soul is being expressed.

As much as I agree with all of this, young people who aspire to become professionals should use every tool at their disposal.

[BBFG#]

There was once a musician that played a zither. He searched for teachers that could help him master it. The zither gave him music, which expressed the soul. One day he was asked what he would do if he lost his zither and it frightened him. But he soon realized that the zither could not play itself. He realized that his cultivation was not merely for the acquisition of skills. It was a path to the innermost part of his being.
~Deng Ming-Dao (Laoist)

If you do your own loops, then you are still on that path.
If you use others, then you're just funding theirs.
Thing is, many people can tell the difference whose soul is being expressed.

As much as I agree with all of this, young people who aspire to become professionals should use every tool at their disposal.

I would agree, but I've met too many that use calculators that can't add or subtract without it.

[Uncle E]

We're having a shaking our fists at the sky moment, aren't we?

[Aloysius]

Did they bite? Oh yes they did.

[BBFG#]

We're having a shaking our fists at the sky moment, aren't we?

I'm okay. Two of us made a personal statement of not using them and others are shaking their fists.
But that would be their karma, not mine.
My own personal experience of doing it both ways and finding I don't get any growth from using them is all I'm saying.
I have used them as examples to keep the ear muscles up and grow in skill.
From there, it becomes something much different in how I play it.
Nice contemplation, and I don't expect anyone to change on it.
I continue to say, "To each their own" in their own comfort zone.

[Uncle E]

Sorry, I should probably clarify that I meant all of us replying collectively, not the royal we.

[telecharge]

Beauty is in the eye (or ear) of the beholder. As long as people are creating, it's a good thing™.

Those using loops/construction kits know whether they are truly creating something or just painting by numbers. At least, they should...