KODA Sampler - coming KONTAKT alternative?

[Tj Shredder]

How does it deal with loop points? That's a problem area for Blofeld.

[audiojunkie]

Yeah, I won't lie. I'm excited for Ultra. And the developer said he's going to support Linux too. This is really cool, really powerful stuff. I've always dreamed of this very thing, and couldn't figure out why no one had done it. This is essentially going to make it so that someone can create real, high quality instruments with a single sample, and that the instruments made can be completely treated like a synth. It's really, really cool stuff!

[sellyoursoul]

Yeah, I won't lie. I'm excited for Ultra. And the developer said he's going to support Linux too. This is really cool, really powerful stuff. I've always dreamed of this very thing, and couldn't figure out why no one had done it. This is essentially going to make it so that someone can create real, high quality instruments with a single sample, and that the instruments made can be completely treated like a synth. It's really, really cool stuff!

It does look promising. Have you tried it yet? I'm wondering how effective it might be at blending samples with very different timbres.

[audiojunkie]

Yeah, I won't lie. I'm excited for Ultra. And the developer said he's going to support Linux too. This is really cool, really powerful stuff. I've always dreamed of this very thing, and couldn't figure out why no one had done it. This is essentially going to make it so that someone can create real, high quality instruments with a single sample, and that the instruments made can be completely treated like a synth. It's really, really cool stuff!

It does look promising. Have you tried it yet? I'm wondering how effective it might be at blending samples with very different timbres.

I have not. I use linux, and the developer hasn't created a linux version yet--but he says that he will, and I'll be jumping on it when it arrives.

[Uncle E]

Thanks!

[sellyoursoul]

Yeah, I won't lie. I'm excited for Ultra. And the developer said he's going to support Linux too. This is really cool, really powerful stuff. I've always dreamed of this very thing, and couldn't figure out why no one had done it. This is essentially going to make it so that someone can create real, high quality instruments with a single sample, and that the instruments made can be completely treated like a synth. It's really, really cool stuff!

It does look promising. Have you tried it yet? I'm wondering how effective it might be at blending samples with very different timbres.

I have not. I use linux, and the developer hasn't created a linux version yet--but he says that he will, and I'll be jumping on it when it arrives.

I'll have to try it at some point, although my hunch is that it's geared more toward being a sample source synth than a sampler that I would practically use. But I would love to be wrong about that, and we'll see.

[bermudagold]

This is essentially going to make it so that someone can create real, high quality instruments with a single sample, and that the instruments made can be completely treated like a synth.

But you have no idea whether this is true or not...u haven't even demoed it yet lol...Simon Stockhausen stated the opinion that the resynthesis efficacy is limited to a narrow range of timbres, and that for many types of sounds Icarus was still more accurate...also you do realize that samplists have since their invention, been creating harmonic variant resamples of a single sample, velocity splitting, assigning the resamples to key switches, and giving them custom pitch/amp envelopes, to make dynamic expressive instruments purely in the pcm domain?...and synth osc effects are essentially what?...high rate modulation of pitch/amp/pan and waveform...you can do that in a sampler as well...every sampler can be 'treated like a synth"...ableton and bitwig have designed their stock samplers to drive this point home
and people had done it...tomofon and ppg wavemapper have done forms of resynthesis "multitabling"
hyperbolic hype machine of the hivemind over objectivity...that's kvr...but I get it...u and lots of folk are excited...and excitement is part of what kvr is for...looking forward to demoing and hearing others sound design examples

[audiojunkie]

Yeah, I won't lie. I'm excited for Ultra. And the developer said he's going to support Linux too. This is really cool, really powerful stuff. I've always dreamed of this very thing, and couldn't figure out why no one had done it. This is essentially going to make it so that someone can create real, high quality instruments with a single sample, and that the instruments made can be completely treated like a synth. It's really, really cool stuff!

It does look promising. Have you tried it yet? I'm wondering how effective it might be at blending samples with very different timbres.

I have not. I use linux, and the developer hasn't created a linux version yet--but he says that he will, and I'll be jumping on it when it arrives.

I'll have to try it at some point, although my hunch is that it's geared more toward being a sample source synth than a sampler that I would practically use. But I would love to be wrong about that, and we'll see.

Well, I think you are right. It's a synth first. But, the cool thing is that it is a synth that, for once, makes a way to do realistic / acoustic sounds in a fluid way. It's a hybrid of sorts, but in the best way possible. People argue that samplers can't act like synths, because they are just sampled sound and you can't bend and modulate sampled sound in the ways a synth can. Of course, you can modulate and bend sound, but there is a point to what people say about synths being able to do more with sound. Only, in this case, samples have been broken down to a much more granular level. This synth makes samples into wave tables, and yet plays them back like a sampler. You end up with the best of both worlds. That's what's so cool and original about this synth. And, it makes it all look so easy! Building up a wavetable usually takes a lot of time. Here, it practically does it all for you. So not only is it incredibly powerful, but it's dead easy as well. It's really, really cool! It's very original thinking and very innovative.

[audiojunkie]

This is essentially going to make it so that someone can create real, high quality instruments with a single sample, and that the instruments made can be completely treated like a synth.

But you have no idea whether this is true or not...u haven't even demoed it yet lol...Simon Stockhausen stated the opinion that the resynthesis efficacy is limited to a narrow range of timbres, and that for many types of sounds Icarus was still more accurate...also you do realize that samplists have since their invention, been creating harmonic variant resamples of a single sample, velocity splitting, assigning the resamples to key switches, and giving them custom pitch/amp envelopes, to make dynamic expressive instruments purely in the pcm domain?...and synth osc effects are essentially what?...high rate modulation of pitch/amp/pan and waveform...you can do that in a sampler as well...every sampler can be 'treated like a synth"...ableton and bitwig have designed their stock samplers to drive this point home
and people had done it...tomofon and ppg wavemapper have done forms of resynthesis "multitabling"
hyperbolic hype machine of the hivemind over objectivity...that's kvr...but I get it...u and lots of folk are excited...and excitement is part of what kvr is for...looking forward to demoing and hearing others sound design examples

It is true that I have not demoed it. It is true that I only have the video examples to go off of. It is also true that there may be things that it cannot do (although I haven't seen or heard of any). So there may be truth to what you say. However, I was really, really impressed with what I saw in the videos. I've never seen other synths or samplers do what this synth did with a single sample of a realistic instrument. You mention Simon Stockhausen said that gave his opinion on Ultra and said he believed resynthesis efficacy is limited? I'm not saying that's not true, but I want to know if he has actually tried Ultra. If not, he's just speculating based of the same information we have.

[paulbreeze]

[bermudagold]

This is essentially going to make it so that someone can create real, high quality instruments with a single sample, and that the instruments made can be completely treated like a synth.

You mention Simon Stockhausen said that gave his opinion on Ultra and said he believed resynthesis efficacy is limited? I'm not saying that's not true, but I want to know if he has actually tried Ultra. If not, he's just speculating based of the same information we have.

check the ultra threads here and he has a few examples on his youtube channel...last time i checked a cello and a violin if I'm remembering correctly...but one or both were hybrid sounds
the tradeoff between sampling and synthesis hasn't changed...expressivity vs realism...this specific use case will come down to
1. whether interpolating between resynthesized wavetables by key/velocity is noticeably more expressive than crossfading between pcm samples by key/velocity
2. If the answer to 1 is yes, whether that increase is worth any decrease in timbre realism from synthesis artifacts

those are subjective, so they can only be answered by the individual through demoing and comparing

[Uncle E]

Is this different from the wavetable and granular engines in Kontakt? Also, is KODA going to do it? Lastly, will Ultra import other sample formats?

[audiojunkie]

This is essentially going to make it so that someone can create real, high quality instruments with a single sample, and that the instruments made can be completely treated like a synth.

You mention Simon Stockhausen said that gave his opinion on Ultra and said he believed resynthesis efficacy is limited? I'm not saying that's not true, but I want to know if he has actually tried Ultra. If not, he's just speculating based of the same information we have.

check the ultra threads here and he has a few examples on his youtube channel...last time i checked a cello and a violin if I'm remembering correctly...but one or both were hybrid sounds
the tradeoff between sampling and synthesis hasn't changed...expressivity vs realism...this specific use case will come down to
1. whether interpolating between resynthesized wavetables by velocity is noticeably more expressive than crossfading between pcm samples by velocity
2. If the answer to 1 is yes, whether that increase is worth any decrease in timbre realism from synthesis artifacts

those are subjective, so they can only be answered by the individual through demoing and comparing

Interesting. I hadn't noticed that he had posted here. To be honest, I didn't know he ever posted here. I don't disagree with you. I think it is true that it will come down to:

1. whether interpolating between resynthesized wavetables by velocity is noticeably more expressive than crossfading between pcm samples by velocity
2. If the answer to 1 is yes, whether that increase is worth any decrease in timbre realism from synthesis artifacts

I honestly don't know the answer. I can't say that I had ever seen any other synths do what Ultra is doing, but then again, I've never had a synth that does resynthesis. Is what Ultra is doing even called "resynthesis"? It seems to use a different method than resynthesis, which I always thought was based on spectral and additive synthesis--but I could be mistaken on that too.

At any rate, there isn't a synth like this for Linux, so I'm still really excited about it.

[sellyoursoul]

I honestly don't know the answer. I can't say that I had ever seen any other synths do what Ultra is doing, but then again, I've never had a synth that does resynthesis. Is what Ultra is doing even called "resynthesis"? It seems to use a different method than resynthesis, which I always thought was based on spectral and additive synthesis--but I could be mistaken on that too.

I'm pretty ignorant on synthesis past basics of subtractive, additive, and the gist of FM. Is resynthesis just binning the frequencies of a sample, with that being used to recreate the sample with additive synthesis? And is this pretty well the same for calculated (not sampled) wavetables?

[audiojunkie]

I’m not exactly sure of the process myself. I just know that you load a sample, the program analyzes it, and then makes a synth that recreates the sample that was loaded.