If AI replaces musicians, does the entire plugin industry die with them?

[soulata]

OK, guys.

So now the criteria to prove that AI can write a competent catchy song is that it has to be #1 on an international chart, and Zeisner has to admit to personally buying a copy of it.

Well, I don't know about all of that, but, the main hook to this catchy number has been dancing around my brain all afternoon. I get that not everyone likes RnB.

I'm really satisfied with what I see but I'm afraid to press play.

Yes, I know...

[wagtunes]

To make that country AI song, tell AI to make a song similar to "Human" (Rag n bone man 2016) with a deeper voice. The fake country song is a combination of two 2 songs I clearly hear, might find the 2 nd one too.
I am not into country music that much, but to categorize that song as country must be a joke, they would even categorize Little Red Corvette as a country song today.

I understand what it is all about.
The more musical knowledge you have the more different examples of different existing songs you could tell ai to do.
I dare say I could be very successful by creating ai songs, even though I don't know a lot about music between 2005 - now knowing I missed almost nothing anyway.

I am not a Beatles fan, haven't listened to any of their songs for many years, but could immediately sing and play The fool on the hill, Nowhere Man, why don't we do it in the road, Rocky Rackoon and many more and these songs were not even their hits (maybe Nowhere man only). Every ai song I listened to I forgot after 20 minutes (Alzheimer's disease effect).

Thanks for posting jamcat

First Beatles song I listen to after many years and I can't even express how much more I like it than all that ai crap



I mean that song is based on traditional blues progression. You might think what sense does it make to create another Blues song, so many blues songs already existed before that song.
It is about human creativity, passion, talent and soul and with a bit of weirdness the way Lennon sings and how cool the drums by Ringo and Paul's bass at 1:17 haha. Unique, original!

Another famous blues song example many years after Lennon. KISS by Prince. Prince added some funky vibe to a blues and dared sing a blues with his falsetto voice - a blues with such a high voice???! Third verse is a example of his screaming talent. There was a discussion of how tight and dry his mix was, not sure whether it pointed in a new direction . Unique, original!

Four more famous blues examples
Still got blues Garry Moore
Red House Hendrix
Belly Button Window Hendrix
Voodoo Chile Hendrix
How come you don't call me any more Prince
I love the blues, she heard my cry George Duke
Hard times Ray Charles

Every song a blues , every song unique and different, cuz humans are unique and different.
Starts at 0:48




omg, these horns and the piano.
A good example what makes a song great,
great voice, no one could sing like Ray, fantastic piano playing, fantastic horn arrangement and sad lyrics (that I remembered after first time I listened) what you would expect in a blues song.and natural not overcompressed and overpolished mix.

Ray Charles released it in 1954,
Prince released Kiss in 1986 or 85?
More than 30 years of creative (blues) songs in 4 decades.
Then I compare it to 2011 -2026, 15 years, the itb, autotune, social media and now ai era - I am speechless.
You will also notice that all singers could play one or even more instruments, it is not a must for a singer, but!

I would be happier about 50 new songs on that level every year - not just blues, of course - than 200.000 new uploaded tracks every day, the vast majority just boring noise.

@Wagtunes
Btw Prince sang it using a Sennheiser MD441, a microphone I recommend for your voice.

Thanks for the advice on the mic. Oh, and I hate to break it to you but Paul sings lead on Why Don't We Do It.

[ghettosynth]

OK, guys.

So now the criteria to prove that AI can write a competent catchy song is that it has to be #1 on an international chart, and Zeisner has to admit to personally buying a copy of it.

Well, I don't know about all of that, but, the main hook to this catchy number has been dancing around my brain all afternoon. I get that not everyone likes RnB.

I'm really satisfied with what I see but I'm afraid to press play.

Yes, I know...

Be careful then, the eyes are just the start, that voice, that bassline. It's really too much. In fact, it might exceed the legal limit for a single track.

[soulata]

OK, guys.

So now the criteria to prove that AI can write a competent catchy song is that it has to be #1 on an international chart, and Zeisner has to admit to personally buying a copy of it.

Well, I don't know about all of that, but, the main hook to this catchy number has been dancing around my brain all afternoon. I get that not everyone likes RnB.

I'm really satisfied with what I see but I'm afraid to press play.

Yes, I know...

Be careful then, the eyes are just the start, that voice, that bassline. It's really too much. In fact, it might exceed the legal limit for a single track.

I carefully pressed play. Thankfully it's not a video but just a static pic. I could fall in love otherwise or get aroused..I think.

Btw, classy RnB, kinda 90s sounding in the best possible way.

Professional cucumber handling?

Bass sounds great and the lines are classy.
I probably listen to it again but it's good.

Slippery and flexible

I have ideas but so did she.

[guitarzan]

Man, I just went through this whole project DNA stuff and doing a massive Build Log and everything on Gemini and it just will not keep it straight that I want instrumental music only.

It pretty much got the retro futuristic vibe I wanted, but just as the guitar starts to cook it throws in a vocal part with nonsense lyrics?? Or maybe you can make the words out? Anyway — if anyone else is using this Beta please pile on the Feature Request for a Instrumental Music toggle!

https://g.co/gemini/share/00d4f235c496

[Tubeman]

But it's probably around 25% of the global music market. If you can't break the US market, you're never going to reach the really big time. That's just a fact.

I don't think that's true. Do you have a source for that "fact"?

I don't know what "really big time" means but there are massive stars with billions of streams in India and China who are virtually unknown in the US.

Yep. Also lots of European rock/metal etc. bands who are hugely popular in South-America, Europe and Asia. Europe alone has over twice the population of the USA. Also, AC/DC.

[linglinofficial]

It will overtake music, music is art...art is...fortunately or unfortunately, computable.

[wagtunes]

I see they moved this thread. Maybe it will now die like it should.

[Auplant]

It might make formulaic music, and well known genres. But I'm doubtful that it could make good experimental music, and good original ambient music (with deep human emotion) when it is still a psychopath. I don't want to pay Suno to find out.

I don’t know anything about ambient music, and this is Gemini/Lyria. I chose this one because it’s sometimes a struggle to get Gemini to leave out its cheesy lyrics (Beta thing, I’m trying to make constructive suggestions):

https://g.co/gemini/share/c3d7003e09d3

Classic case of audio quality being there, and with no spirit. I'd never press play on this more than once. It sounds artificial as well. However after watching some videos I saw that suno has made very impressive metal.

[guitarzan]

It might make formulaic music, and well known genres. But I'm doubtful that it could make good experimental music, and good original ambient music (with deep human emotion) when it is still a psychopath. I don't want to pay Suno to find out.

I don’t know anything about ambient music, and this is Gemini/Lyria. I chose this one because it’s sometimes a struggle to get Gemini to leave out its cheesy lyrics (Beta thing, I’m trying to make constructive suggestions):

https://g.co/gemini/share/c3d7003e09d3

Classic case of audio quality being there, and with no spirit. I'd never press play on this more than once. It sounds artificial as well. However after watching some videos I saw that suno has made very impressive metal.

Well, someone who knows ambient music would be able to refine the prompts and chose the best final result. I reworded your post as a prompt and picked the result I thought sucked the least, though I couldn’t even really tell you why.

[Tubeman]

It might make formulaic music, and well known genres. But I'm doubtful that it could make good experimental music, and good original ambient music (with deep human emotion) when it is still a psychopath. I don't want to pay Suno to find out.

I don’t know anything about ambient music, and this is Gemini/Lyria. I chose this one because it’s sometimes a struggle to get Gemini to leave out its cheesy lyrics (Beta thing, I’m trying to make constructive suggestions):

https://g.co/gemini/share/c3d7003e09d3

Classic case of audio quality being there, and with no spirit. I'd never press play on this more than once. It sounds artificial as well. However after watching some videos I saw that suno has made very impressive metal.

Well, someone who knows ambient music would be able to refine the prompts and chose the best final result. I reworded your post as a prompt and picked the result I thought sucked the least, though I couldn’t even really tell you why.

What would you call yourself if you'd make a career out of that? Certainly not a musician or a composer. A prompter? AI Result picker? A prompt engineer?

[BertKoor]

Y'all gonna be PeeJays: Prompt Jockey

[DCrown]

Be prepared for a time in a cage of a zoo, ai robots feeding you with rats.

[guitarzan]

It might make formulaic music, and well known genres. But I'm doubtful that it could make good experimental music, and good original ambient music (with deep human emotion) when it is still a psychopath. I don't want to pay Suno to find out.

I don’t know anything about ambient music, and this is Gemini/Lyria. I chose this one because it’s sometimes a struggle to get Gemini to leave out its cheesy lyrics (Beta thing, I’m trying to make constructive suggestions):

https://g.co/gemini/share/c3d7003e09d3

Classic case of audio quality being there, and with no spirit. I'd never press play on this more than once. It sounds artificial as well. However after watching some videos I saw that suno has made very impressive metal.

Well, someone who knows ambient music would be able to refine the prompts and chose the best final result. I reworded your post as a prompt and picked the result I thought sucked the least, though I couldn’t even really tell you why.

What would you call yourself if you'd make a career out of that? Certainly not a musician or a composer. A prompter? AI Result picker? A prompt engineer?

I don’t think there has ever been a word for someone who makes a career out of making ambient music. The need has never arisen.

[Tiles]

I don’t think there has ever been a word for someone who makes a career out of making ambient music. The need has never arisen.

It's called musician.