Swayed v1.0.3 - available now!

[sheaf]

@sheaf As a TG77 owner for a few years now, very excited to see this come out. Excellent work, I'm really enjoying it.

It would be great if synth controls were also available as parameters in a DAW. Not sure this has been requested already, but hands-on control such as using Bitwig device preset controls would this take to the next level.

Also, did I hear correctly that sample import will come in the future?

Yes, sample import will come in the future. The way I set things up doesn't allow for parameters to be controlled in real-time. I tried to stick to the way the hardware works. All parameter values are discrete (levels from 0 to 127, instead of running smoothly from -80dB to 0dB), so unfortunately I can't expose them for automation. Only the ones you can influence with the controller section.

Is there a chance that SWAYED could use the SY99 MAP for the internal presets? Just wondering. DL'd some SY99 SYX's but it don't seem to get well with SWAYED very well.

It should translate the SY99 waveforms to the right ones, but only if those waveforms are also in the SY77. The SY99 had more waveforms that were not recreated. For the ones unique to the SY99 it defaults to a triangle wave. Or are you seeing some mistranslation that should've worked?

So where's 1.0.3?

Coming today

Well guess what, keyboard arrows don't work on every system!

The sound is excellent on this one, but it should have been delayed for a couple of more months. There are too many bugs.

I wasn't aware that the arrows don't work for everyone. It only works on the preset browser and sysex screen though, not sure if that's it? Otherwise, could you let me know which OS/DAW? I'll look into it.

Sorry to hear you're experiencing so many bugs.
Feel free to report any other specific things you're encountering so I can fix them.

[sonictv]

It should translate the SY99 waveforms to the right ones, but only if those waveforms are also in the SY77. The SY99 had more waveforms that were not recreated. For the ones unique to the SY99 it defaults to a triangle wave. Or are you seeing some mistranslation that should've worked?

I've tried importing SY77 factory patches by loading a Txx-converted SYX file, but the waveform #'s won't load. I believe the Txx files were intended for SY99, as I've downloaded them here: http://www.bjoern.com/download/factory.zip

Looking forward to 99-compatible fixes.

[EvilDragon]

Who are you, Goebbels himself?

Maybe chill and don't take everything so personally.

Also, that sort of discourse as shown above can be considered ad hominem, which makes me not take you very seriously if you want to have a level-headed discussion.

Well guess what, keyboard arrows don't work on every system!

Maybe then post your system and DAW info, nobody can guess what you use. I have 8 hosts here and preset switching via keyboard arrows works in each and every one of them - tried, and tested.

[soundman007]

It should translate the SY99 waveforms to the right ones, but only if those waveforms are also in the SY77. The SY99 had more waveforms that were not recreated. For the ones unique to the SY99 it defaults to a triangle wave. Or are you seeing some mistranslation that should've worked?

How about recreating waveforms for the missing ones from SY99 just as you did for the SY77, rather than just mapping everything to triangle wave?

[Caesarg86]

All my old SY77 patches transferred and sounding exactly as I remember!

Unfortunately, many patches in Swayed don't sound as good as in SY/TG77. I can definitely say that the chorus effect in Swayed sounds much worse.

I have a TG77 sitting next to my desk at home and I can testify that Swayed is remarkably faithful.

Compare, for example, the "Itopia" patch and you will hear the difference in sound.

I will express this to you in the most positive and respectful way possible. Sometimes your computer and DAW have a lot more to do with what you hear coming from your speakers or headphones than similarly coming from your hardware, even if you are using the same mixing board. The uniqueness of each device, interface and instrument will give you a different experience depending on the type of user settings. Now, respectfully, I'm assuming you have a terrific setup with all the tools available to you, so no assumptions on my end...but, a little tweak here and there might get the Itopia sound exactly how you want it to be, or maybe even better! Now, I would say that most folks who have tried SWAYED have had an overwhelming great experience with it and admire it for its uniqueness and the nostalgia...but most importantly they love the potential of creating something more spectacular than the presets that came with it. Love it for the reasons you originally bought your original SY/TG...because it took our beloved DX-7 to a whole other level!! And SWAYED is no joke! Go make some sounds!! Make us a patch or two and use a little of that chorus!!

[Caesarg86]

Pretty sure I'm not the one who is bizarre here. I was not the only beta tester, and people are using Swayed in a lot of projects already.

Changing presets with arrow keys works inside the big preset browser, maybe you should actually try and use this plugin?

Who are you, Goebbels himself? You think if you spam the forums everything you say is true!?
Well guess what, keyboard arrows don't work on every system!
Be of some use to sheaf and work on the plugin, instead of posting BS
I actually remember how fiercely you argued "JP-8000 can't be emulated in VST"
I mean, we now have dish washers more complex than JP, of course someone will reverse engineer a regular DSP chip - it's not alien technology

The sound is excellent on this one, but it should have been delayed for a couple of more months. There are too many bugs.

Bugs can be frustrating, but going after Evil Dragon like that isn’t really fair or helpful. Honestly, SWAYED just came out and there haven’t been many issues overall but like any new VST, things can show up depending on the system or DAW. If something’s not working on your end — presets, crashes, whatever — it helps a lot more to just say exactly what’s happening and what you’re running. That way it can actually be looked at and fixed instead of turning into back-and-forth.
At the end of the day, it’s either something that can be worked through or reported, but going personal isn’t going to get it resolved. Probably best to leave it there and keep it about the actual issue.

[EvilDragon]

I'm not IvyBirds.

[Caesarg86]

Pretty sure I'm not the one who is bizarre here. I was not the only beta tester, and people are using Swayed in a lot of projects already.

Changing presets with arrow keys works inside the big preset browser, maybe you should actually try and use this plugin?

Who are you, Goebbels himself? You think if you spam the forums everything you say is true!?
Well guess what, keyboard arrows don't work on every system!
Be of some use to sheaf and work on the plugin, instead of posting BS
I actually remember how fiercely you argued "JP-8000 can't be emulated in VST"
I mean, we now have dish washers more complex than JP, of course someone will reverse engineer a regular DSP chip - it's not alien technology

The sound is excellent on this one, but it should have been delayed for a couple of more months. There are too many bugs.

Bugs can be frustrating, but going after Evil Dragon like that isn’t really fair or helpful. Honestly, SWAYED just came out and there haven’t been many issues overall but like any new VST, things can show up depending on the system or DAW. If something’s not working on your end — presets, crashes, whatever — it helps a lot more to just say exactly what’s happening and what you’re running. That way it can actually be looked at and fixed instead of turning into back-and-forth.
At the end of the day, it’s either something that can be worked through or reported, but going personal isn’t going to get it resolved. Probably best to leave it there and keep it about the actual issue.

[Caesarg86]

I'm not IvyBirds.

Omg...my apologies, Brother. Typing on my iPhone sometimes gets so minuscule and I see many names. I'm old. Sorry.

[sheaf]

1.0.3 is out now

Fixed: Another NaN bug
Fixed: Paste AFM/AWM element not working on Mac
Fixed: OP1/2 selection control repaint glitch

Improved: Filter CPU usage

Added: Operator copy/pasting
Added: Operator initializing

[cvale]

1.0.3 is out now

Fixed: Another NaN bug
Fixed: Paste AFM/AWM element not working on Mac
Fixed: OP1/2 selection control repaint glitch

Improved: Filter CPU usage

Added: Operator copy/pasting
Added: Operator initializing

Thanks for the quick update! Nice to see that pesky draw error gone.

[sheaf]

I've tried importing SY77 factory patches by loading a Txx-converted SYX file, but the waveform #'s won't load. I believe the Txx files were intended for SY99, as I've downloaded them here: http://www.bjoern.com/download/factory.zip

Looking forward to 99-compatible fixes.

Yeah, I get some issues too with those files. I'll have to investigate it.

How about recreating waveforms for the missing ones from SY99 just as you did for the SY77, rather than just mapping everything to triangle wave?

The juice is not worth the squeeze for such a huge undertaking I think. If I remember correctly the SY99 has around 160 additional waveforms. It would take me a very long time to recreate them.

[nondes]

Yes, sample import will come in the future. The way I set things up doesn't allow for parameters to be controlled in real-time. I tried to stick to the way the hardware works. All parameter values are discrete (levels from 0 to 127, instead of running smoothly from -80dB to 0dB), so unfortunately I can't expose them for automation. Only the ones you can influence with the controller section.

Ah, that's a bummer. Would you consider adding them? Would it break functionality? The reason I'm wondering, while it's faithful to hardware, we have so much flexibility in software these days. Loading DX7 patches in Opsix has been a revelation because you can shape and take the original so much further, and use it more performatively. I was hoping that I could do same with Swayed. It's an awesome emulation, so I really appreciate your work on this, but DAW parameters would be so helpful to have.

[Uncle E]

Agreed, not worth the squeeze as an update to SWAYED, but very much worth doing as a separate plugin.

[IvyBirds]

The juice is not worth the squeeze for such a huge undertaking I think. If I remember correctly the SY99 has around 160 additional waveforms. It would take me a very long time to recreate them.

It's really not

And once sample import is out anyone should be able to import whatever they want

I can't wait to import D50, M1, and Prophet VS waveforms