Announcing the launch of ULTRA

[dermage]

Ableton Live stays activated, once it is activated.
Even when activating on another computer.
It's a real offline license.

Ultra currently deactivates on one computer after logging in on another computer. So it seems to check online if another computer was activated. That's not how most plugins do challenge/ response. (at least the ones I'm using). Usually plugins check for hardware changes, but do not phone home.

This is going to be fixed, if I'm not mistaken when reading the thread.

Yes, they are working on having two computers activated, as far as I understood it.
Still it is different compared to most challenge/response activations.

[ultra_audio]

Ableton Live stays activated, once it is activated.
Even when activating on another computer.
It's a real offline license.

Ultra currently deactivates on one computer after logging in on another computer. So it seems to check online if another computer was activated. That's not how most plugins do challenge/ response. (at least the ones I'm using). Usually plugins check for hardware changes, but do not phone home.

That's a different issue, which we are working on. We will make it so that you can have more than one computer activated at a time.

[TheMaestro]

According to Arturia on Pigments: "After the activation process, you can operate Pigments in offline mode. The software does not require a constant "checking in" mechanism to function".

That's how Ultra works also... the 'logging in' is really activation.

So why do we have to stay logged in then?

The question is, why do you need to log out? You can still go offline, and it will still work.

If I can go offline, then why do I need to be logged in?
Are you just making up excuses now, or do you not understand the issue?

[oobesan]

According to Arturia on Pigments: "After the activation process, you can operate Pigments in offline mode. The software does not require a constant "checking in" mechanism to function".

That's how Ultra works also... the 'logging in' is really activation.

So why do we have to stay logged in then?

The question is, why do you need to log out? You can still go offline, and it will still work.

If I can go offline, then why do I need to be logged in?
Are you just making up excuses now, or do you not understand the issue?

Agreed. There has been a couple of dozen posts about this, and it’s still not clear. As if they are dancing around the issue without answering directly.

[starflakeprj]

According to Arturia on Pigments: "After the activation process, you can operate Pigments in offline mode. The software does not require a constant "checking in" mechanism to function".

That's how Ultra works also... the 'logging in' is really activation.

So why do we have to stay logged in then?

The question is, why do you need to log out? You can still go offline, and it will still work.

If I can go offline, then why do I need to be logged in?
Are you just making up excuses now, or do you not understand the issue?

Excuses? No, I think there’s been some confusion here. I understand why this might seem unclear, especially since the terms 'login' and 'authorization' can be easily mixed up.

Login = Authorization: This simply means that once you're logged in, the plugin stays authorized on your computer. You don’t need to be constantly online, or even have the plugin running, for it to stay authorized. This is how it works with MANY plugins.

Logout = De-authorization: Logging out simply means the plugin will no longer be authorized, and you’ll need to log in again to use it.

I’m honestly trying to understand why this still seems unclear. Several people have explained this already, and it seems like it’s being misunderstood, but I can’t help but feel like there’s some resistance to accepting this explanation. It’s possible that the terms are just being taken literally or that the concept of offline authorization is confusing, but this is how many plugins work.

[DJDJ]

Fwiw, I use this plugin offline all the time. The only time I need to be online with it is if I'm either updating the plugin or downloading new presets from the store. It's pretty simple.

On a more practical and sane note, where is the best place to submit feature requests? Here in this thread, or is there a discord server, or direct email, or.....?

[TheMaestro]

Fwiw, I use this plugin offline all the time. The only time I need to be online with it is if I'm either updating the plugin or downloading new presets from the store. It's pretty simple.

On a more practical and sane note, where is the best place to submit feature requests? Here in this thread, or is there a discord server, or direct email, or.....?

Oh, another one that doesn't understand the issue. Jebus.

[TheMaestro]

According to Arturia on Pigments: "After the activation process, you can operate Pigments in offline mode. The software does not require a constant "checking in" mechanism to function".

That's how Ultra works also... the 'logging in' is really activation.

So why do we have to stay logged in then?

The question is, why do you need to log out? You can still go offline, and it will still work.

If I can go offline, then why do I need to be logged in?
Are you just making up excuses now, or do you not understand the issue?

Excuses? No, I think there’s been some confusion here. I understand why this might seem unclear, especially since the terms 'login' and 'authorization' can be easily mixed up.

Login = Authorization: This simply means that once you're logged in, the plugin stays authorized on your computer. You don’t need to be constantly online, or even have the plugin running, for it to stay authorized. This is how it works with MANY plugins.

Logout = De-authorization: Logging out simply means the plugin will no longer be authorized, and you’ll need to log in again to use it.

I’m honestly trying to understand why this still seems unclear. Several people have explained this already, and it seems like it’s being misunderstood, but I can’t help but feel like there’s some resistance to accepting this explanation. It’s possible that the terms are just being taken literally or that the concept of offline authorization is confusing, but this is how many plugins work.

It's not unclear how it work for anyone. But you don't understrand the issue.

Having to log in to a synth, or ANY plugin, even if for "activating it", is senseless in itself.

But let's take on this synths only reason for logging in - To activate...
Cool. I've activated it. Now I can use it offline too. Great!
So why the heck do I need to STILL BE LOGGED in to use it?

There's something going on here, and we're not getting the answer.

[TheMaestro]

Agreed. There has been a couple of dozen posts about this, and it’s still not clear. As if they are dancing around the issue without answering directly.

Exactly.

[starflakeprj]

So why the heck do I need to STILL BE LOGGED in to use it?

If this is a problem for you, why don't you tell us other, apparently stupid, people, why this is a problem for you?

[paterpeter]

Disclaimer: I don't own Ultra and I have nothing to do with the developer. I also don't know how the activation or "Log in" works in detail.

But I would expect that "logging in" just generates and downloads some kind of license file for the requesting system which the plugin uses to determine if it is correctly licensed. "Logging out" just deletes that licence and reports that to the license server. Also, being logged in probably generates some kind of access token to access the online store. I could be wrong, but it would make sense.

Now, I have the feeling that TheMaestro associates the term "being logged in" with something else. Maybe something "active" that somehow does things in the background, maybe checking stuff on the user's system and reporting that back to the servers.

I don't know if the plugin does the former or the latter or something in between, but I feel that the whole discussion is caused by different interpretations of the term "log in": some assume "activation + store access", others like TheMaestro assume "activation plus probably unwanted activity on my system".

I don't blame either side. But maybe this could help to bring this discussion to a satisfying end.

[ultra_audio]

Fwiw, I use this plugin offline all the time. The only time I need to be online with it is if I'm either updating the plugin or downloading new presets from the store. It's pretty simple.

On a more practical and sane note, where is the best place to submit feature requests? Here in this thread, or is there a discord server, or direct email, or.....?

You can submit them here if you like There is a discord also.

[TheMaestro]

So why the heck do I need to STILL BE LOGGED in to use it?

If this is a problem for you, why don't you tell us other, apparently stupid, people, why this is a problem for you?

User-tracking.
Relying on the other end being online.
Try "accidentally" logging out of the synth, offline, then use it. Then report back here.

Should I stop, or do you need to be spoon-fed even more?
You don't have even one valid point of why we should need to log in to a VST, and stay logged in.

[TheMaestro]

Disclaimer: I don't own Ultra and I have nothing to do with the developer. I also don't know how the activation or "Log in" works in detail.

But I would expect that "logging in" just generates and downloads some kind of license file for the requesting system which the plugin uses to determine if it is correctly licensed. "Logging out" just deletes that licence and reports that to the license server. Also, being logged in probably generates some kind of access token to access the online store. I could be wrong, but it would make sense.

Now, I have the feeling that TheMaestro associates the term "being logged in" with something else. Maybe something "active" that somehow does things in the background, maybe checking stuff on the user's system and reporting that back to the servers.

I don't know if the plugin does the former or the latter or something in between, but I feel that the whole discussion is caused by different interpretations of the term "log in": some assume "activation + store access", others like TheMaestro assume "activation plus probably unwanted activity on my system".

I don't blame either side. But maybe this could help to bring this discussion to a satisfying end.

This is launching the synth in your DAW.
Is this "being logged in" clear enough for you?
And then you have to STAY logged in, or you get this screen again. Try being offline when that happens...

[starflakeprj]

Should I stop, or do you need to be spoon-fed even more?

No, why? I want to annoy you as much as possible. Spoon-feed me more. Maybe type it slower next time so even someone as slow as me can keep up. I’m waiting, genius. Don’t stop now, your superiority complex is the most entertaining thing in this whole thread.