Waveform 14 Public Beta

[pough]

In this latest version the main level meters no long show the sidechain as a third channel (good) but rendering a file using Channel Layout -> From Edit still saves out a file with three channels (bad). Hmm... what's the method for letting the devs know about bugs? Does anyone know?

[pough]

Edit previews in WF14 disappear after I run WF13 (Windows 10). This used to also happen with WF11 and WF12. It's a minor annoyance, but it definitely annoys me. I wonder why it happens. And only for some versions. Opening WF12 doesn't do anything to the previews in WF13.

[Watchful]

Hmm... what's the method for letting the devs know about bugs? Does anyone know?
 

I received this from Tracktion the other day:

If you wish to report bugs, please use the GitHub repository located here. Please sign up to GitHub if you don't already have an account and then email waveform14beta@tracktion.com with your username to be added. You will find notes on the main page of the repository for reporting issues.

[talby]

what's the method for letting the devs know about bugs? Does anyone know?

As described in the email which all registered users received with the invitation to help beta testing, and also copied & pasted into the first post of this thread:
Sign up to GitHub if you don't already have an GitHub account and then email your GitHub username to

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waveform14beta@tracktion.com

There is a GitHub repository where you can participate in the public beta testing campaign here:
https://github.com/Tracktion/waveform_public_beta
There you will find notes on the main page of the repository about reporting issues.

[pough]

I must have blocked it out of my mind. I'm not interested enough to get involved in GitHub. It's the epitome of "designed by a programmer." I feel like I've wandered into some nerd's messy basement when I go there.

Perhaps they forgot that they have an official forum somewhere. Where was that forum, again? K5R or something?

[Watchful]

Um....no comment.

[DavidPardy]

I must have blocked it out of my mind. I'm not interested enough to get involved in GitHub. It's the epitome of "designed by a programmer." I feel like I've wandered into some nerd's messy basement when I go there.

Perhaps they forgot that they have an official forum somewhere. Where was that forum, again? K5R or something?

Github has the advantage of allowing developers to track bugs alongside the project.

Forums are terrible for this. Bug reports get buried under piles of user opinions and can't be tracked.

Github may be a "nerd's messy basement" (rage baiting much?) but it's actually pretty easy to use if you just put a little brainpower into it. There are still plenty of people with barely two braincells to rub together who are capable of using it to comment on projects and make bug reports, I'm sure you can figure it out too

[dayvyg]

Yeah, it's pretty intuitive. I submitted a few bug reports.

[pough]

I hadn't considered that my comment might bait rage, and it's entirely possible I'm down to only one brain cell at this point, but I'm going to comment on something else relevant to this discussion of the beta, and leave the Hub to the Gits.

There is a new DAW called Magda, based on the Tracktion engine, that has an AI assistant. It can use a cloud agent or a local AI agent. The wording about API keys isn't totally clear to my single brain cell. I'm not sure if they mean you never need one or if you don't need one when using the local agent. What's most likely is that I'm just not understanding it at all, but others who do can chime in and clarify*.

Cloud providers (OpenAI, Anthropic, Google) are supported, and so is fully local inference via llama.cpp — no API keys required.

Maybe Waveform will eventually allow you to use an agent that doesn't require a key. This is only the beginning.

* KVR being KVR, though, it's more likely that others will chime in and de-clarify.

[talby]

As commented on it before: Waveform simply provides the possibility to comfortably interface to an AI.
It is completely up to the external AI provider to ask the user to fulfill certain conditions for receiving allowances to use their AI. As the AI providers usually want to earn money, and need a way to control the quantity of the usage of their AI, they often provide a user with an API key. Without this API key no one will be granted access to their AI.
Waveform gives you the possibility to connect to an AI, therefore gives you the possibility to enter your API key, which you received for your account from your AI provider, but Waveform does not take responsibility or cost management for the AI usage.
The AI usage and the costs for it are fully in the hands of the user.
What other companies do, which maybe licensed the tracktion-engine from Tracktion, is up to those companies and has nothing to do with the Waveform product from Tracktion.

[dayvyg]

There is a new DAW called Magda, based on the Tracktion engine, that has an AI assistant.

Wow, I really like the Magda interface. Nice and clean.

I can see using AI for functional things like creating a track with specific plugins etc. I'm not interested in the "write a part for me" aspect. The whole reason I make music is to make music not have AI do it for me.

[sceyefeye]

There is a new DAW called Magda, based on the Tracktion engine, that has an AI assistant.

Wow, I really like the Magda interface. Nice and clean.

I can see using AI for functional things like creating a track with specific plugins etc. I'm not interested in the "write a part for me" aspect. The whole reason I make music is to make music not have AI do it for me.

Impressive looking. Seems to be following a BitWig/Ableton type route, at least with the way the racks are being handled. Also the hybrid midi/audio much like BitWig and Reaper (not sure if other DAWs have this?)

[Sweeto-k]

That new daw looks like it may steal Waveforms thunder.

[boaakerstrom]

That new daw looks like it may steal Waveforms thunder.

For some that might be the case. For others, like myself, not so much.

I differentiate between AI generated content and AI assisted tools that helps me work quickly - and in some cases do better work, and I use a few of those.

Content that is AI generated is a can of worms when it comes to copyright and more.

But each to their own...

[Sweeto-k]

That new daw looks like it may steal Waveforms thunder.

For some that might be the case. For others, like myself, not so much.

I differentiate between AI generated content and AI assisted tools that helps me work quickly - and in some cases do better work, and I use a few of those.

Content that is AI generated is a can of worms when it comes to copyright and more.

But each to their own...

I'm not into AI one bit.
And its not that part that impressed and would not use that feature at all.

But the workflow from the video at least of that DAW answers all the things I wished was adressed in Waveform, taking it closer to Ableton. Just being able to view FX chains in the bottom panel alone along with being able to modulate anything easily and see what your doing in the bottom panel speed things up and would have been a bigger benefit to WF14 than most the stuff they think people needed