jorgen : sugg. on ext being a pro stand alone sequencer

[Noox]

And I'm guessing you want it as an editor rather than just a viewer as it is now.

Yeah, I know how brok landers feels. As a former Logic user,I've felt Apple's takeover on Emagic as a treason too, professionally speaking of course.

After all, it was the best tool ever seen for synchronizing audio and MIDI over movies, which was part of my job. This explains without a doubt why I'm a pure fanatic of the video player comp's request (or track, or whatever Jorgen will give us provided it is synced).

[jens]

After all, it was the best tool ever seen for synchronizing audio and MIDI over movies, which was part of my job. This explains without a doubt why I'm a pure fanatic of the video player comp's request (or track, or whatever Jorgen will give us provided it is synced).

could you explain this a bit?

I think such an editor would be completely useless/redundant but maybe that's just because I'm too narrow-minded - I'm interested in reading some cool stuff I don't know yet...

[Noox]

but maybe that's just because I'm too narrow-minded

You definitly are on that particular subject !
I wanted to write "...provided it is synced and it annoys jens)"



No, seriously, the thing is not about having an editor as there's plenty of them. Logic couldn't edit video files. Neither did it have play, pause, or stop buttons for the video window. The magic was just that it converted video timecode to MIDI timecode in order to enslave the video preview to the sequencer. Nothing more. If your video was in PAL (ie 50 frames per sec), putting a sample or a midi note at 1 sec on the sequencer timeline made it play on the 26th picture of the video. It's as simple as that.

Including this feature in eXT would mean two changes :

1 - Being able to load a video file somewhere and having a video window given by any mean necessary (a comp, a track, or whatever...). Being able to resize it would be great.

2 - Having a cross-compatible timecode for the user to use it efficiently. It means being able to show the time as Hours:Mins:Secs:Millisecs for example.

Nothing more. No editing functions, no video effects, as there's no use for them. Just a synced video player.

Even more, this is not a feature to implement for tomorrow. . There's no hurry. Let's do what has to be done before. I just hope Jorgen will add it one day, because that would extend the usability of eXT to other 'fields'.

I hope it reassures you jens.

[jens]

o.k. thanks - so I have to admit that it would be a useful feature for video-synchronisation so whenever Jorgen adds video-support it should be on the list - can we agree on that?

[Noox]

Now, it's a deal.

[Noox]

Eh, almost forgot a HUGE detail :

3 - Being able to input decimals in the BPM count (ie being able to run the sequencer at 102.47 BPM, for example). Together with a tempo track, this is a killer !

[jens]

Now, it's a deal.

[brok landers]

yes, i know, but it is only for midi ... i`d like to have it as a seperate editor window, and i want it to be responsable for _all_ content of the arrange, i.e. position of audiofiles, envelopes etc ...

reg,

And I'm guessing you want it as an editor rather than just a viewer as it is now.

Caleb

correct ... we seem to have similar approaches ...
sometimes numerical editing via simple [numberstatus > drag up/down] is just more handy than doing it graphically (f.e. nudging the position of an audiofile in the arrange) ...

reg,

[brok landers]

the sequencer window, a piano roll editor and an event/list editor.

here's something which isn't too obvious:

in the midi-editor you can drag the border left from the piano-roll to the right and TATA - here's your event-list

yes, i know, but it is only for midi ... i`d like to have it as a seperate editor window, and i want it to be responsable for _all_ content of the arrange, i.e. position of audiofiles, envelopes etc ...

reg,

o.k. I see - no offense, mate, but I really hope Jorgen doesn't spent any precious coding-time on this at least until all important features are implemented (well and actually also all the not so important one) and until all bugs are fixed...

no problem, mate ...
of course bugs have to be fixed first.
what good is a feature if bugs make it unable to work reliably with the feature packed software ?
but on the other hand, its hard to wait for the software to reach the state so that i can actually use it in general ...
as i need it to replace my sequencer (wich of course is a subjective iussue) i cannot use it up to now, allthough i hope it gets there so hard, that i actually ordered it even though i know its not ...
i simply trust in jorgen and his professionality ...

reg,

reg,

[tjvigil66]

...i`d like to prepare everything as generic as possible, so that, if i start to work, my workspace is prepared as best as it can be for every situation/type of work.
no need to set up the stuff again and again and again, when changing the type of work....

The effect & instrument versions of EnergyXT will do exactly what you want...they are the empty cups that you are describing...with the added bonus of being about to add multiple ingredients into your cup instead of just coffee!

[elfan]

3 - Being able to input decimals in the BPM count (ie being able to run the sequencer at 102.47 BPM, for example). Together with a tempo track, this is a killer !

Damn freakin' straight!

//Tomas

[brok landers]

...i`d like to prepare everything as generic as possible, so that, if i start to work, my workspace is prepared as best as it can be for every situation/type of work.
no need to set up the stuff again and again and again, when changing the type of work....

The effect & instrument versions of EnergyXT will do exactly what you want...they are the empty cups that you are describing...with the added bonus of being about to add multiple ingredients into your cup instead of just coffee!

i know, like i said, the whole thing only has to be expanded to a more overall issue, therefore this concept has to come alive also in the sequencerwindow, as i don`t wanna use ext as a plugin (personal thing though).
i wanna use it as a standalone sequencer (thats the topic of that thread )
i.e. the way i described to create busses for being aux sends, etc and the mixer being isolated to its own window etc ...
that concept imo must go through every aspect in ext, not only to a part of it (i.e. the seq. mixer) ...
again :
i wouldn´t even mention all my suggestions if ext wouldn`t be that close allready ...
but it`s "just close" not "there" allready ...
i only try to help on that issue to get ext there ...

reg,

[tjvigil66]

I guess I don't see the diff between using the plugin versions of eXT and an empty comp.

...other than the fact that the plugin versions can have multiple things inside them, as opposed to a comp.

[brok landers]

I guess I don't see the diff between using the plugin versions of eXT and an empty comp.

...other than the fact that the plugin versions can have multiple things inside them, as opposed to a comp.

well, the requirements, if you are using ext as a plugin differs a lot imo, as ext is used for creative enhancement to the host then.
in that situation ext does`t have to deal with features the host has, as you use ext for mainly doing stuff your host cannot do. otherwise you`d not have to use it then ...
contrary to my situation. i `d like to replace my current sequencer with ext. and ext lacks a bit in basics and workflow and some very needed features in terms of being a standalone sequencer. this is my wish ... to give an idea how _this_ could be enhanced without changing the workflow/the way the users are working with it up to now too hard.
so imo there is a big difference and it seems that there are other users that see that the same way ...
imo this would in addition widen the target group for ext drasticly ...

reg,

[jens]

Brok, you can also load eXT within eXT - I guess that's what Piranha means