jorgen : sugg. on ext being a pro stand alone sequencer

[plastique]

About the BUSes, Nicfit posted a great tip about how to add buses in the sequencer a little while back. Basically:
1) add a midi track
2) right-click the midi track, go to output->add->vst->energyXTE.
3) delete the midi track

the energyXTE bus remains! so you can assign any audio output in the sequencer to it with whatever FX chain you want in the energyXTE instance.

Before I knew about this trick, I had a mess of FX comp's in the main window...but using these buses in the sequencer I was able to dramatically simplify things...kind of the reverse of your idea I guess

<disclaimer>i wanted to make an own topic about busses but i don't have the time at the moment so i thought i add to your post what i initially had already prepared as a part </disclaimer>

to a good effect is if you use multi-in/-out ext plugins so you can create a few busses at once and so have a rather nice overview .
btw , those busses can be used as sends , fx busses or as a master bus (or something else) .


i made two schemes to show how those bus plugins can look like (these are really basic , but yet very expandable) and how they are connected in the sequencer
(you simply route the tracks inside the seq to the bus instead of the master out):

4 fx busses :


example model in ext :


3 fx busses , one dry , plus master


example model in ext :

[brok landers]

I'm not sure I'm 100% understanding your suggestion here, but would the main window not become a hopeless mess if you had to add all your vst's and parts there?

you`re missunderstanding this i think.
you don`t have the vsti`s on the mainwindow.
you create a generic comp on the main window.
then you define it via rightclick > properties to what it should "hold" (in that case a vsti).
then you are able to select this kind of prepared "cup" in the sequencer window as a track,
wich then can be filled with the "coffee".
you only design it that way in order prepare the "generic comp" to get that "shape" of a "cup"
that then can provide all necessary contentto be filled with "coffee" in the most perfect way.
you, so to speak, prepare the car that you bought for
being able to offroad. you got the car allready. but you have to tweak (define special things) that it perfectly suits to your needs for that particular situation. when the startshoot of the offroad race comes, you are prepared and ready to use that car for what you´ve prepared it for ....
so :
1. no need to wiring (therefore a more nonconfusing overview especially in bigger projects,
as the connection is made in the sequencerwindow;
click on the track in the sequencerwindow and you know all you need to know)
2. no need to create the vsti itself.

f.e. creating 10 "generic comps".
prepare those via rightclick > properties > vsti to be able to be used as a complete vsti channelstrip in the sequencerwindow.
you now know with one look on the mainwindow, that you created the possibility to use 10 vsti´s in the sequencer, wich are perfectly integrated, no matter wich vsti you prefer to use today (wich of course could be different all the time).
you could save it to default WITHOUT having the need to place a vsti into the sequencer only to see that you might not want to use it that time, but another, wich you then have to setup from scratch all the time.
in my way you open your one time created default song, and just open a vsti in a trackmixer.
one click and you are able to play, record or whatever. no need to set up all again.
understand now ?
i`d like to prepare everything as generic as possible, so that, if i start to work, my workspace is prepared as best as it can be for every situation/type of work.
no need to set up the stuff again and again and again, when changing the type of work.
flexibility meets easieness and perfect overview.
you created your workspace, so there`s noone els who knows it better than you ... you feel comftable with it, cause its you who buildt it. you are "at home" ...
if things are not easy you dont do them.
even if the possibility is there.
thats my experiance with all users so far (including me)

reg,

[brok landers]

the sequencer window, a piano roll editor and an event/list editor.

here's something which isn't too obvious:

in the midi-editor you can drag the border left from the piano-roll to the right and TATA - here's your event-list

yes, i know, but it is only for midi ... i`d like to have it as a seperate editor window, and i want it to be responsable for _all_ content of the arrange, i.e. position of audiofiles, envelopes etc ...

reg,

[jens]

the sequencer window, a piano roll editor and an event/list editor.

here's something which isn't too obvious:

in the midi-editor you can drag the border left from the piano-roll to the right and TATA - here's your event-list

yes, i know, but it is only for midi ... i`d like to have it as a seperate editor window, and i want it to be responsable for _all_ content of the arrange, i.e. position of audiofiles, envelopes etc ...

reg,

o.k. I see - no offense, mate, but I really hope Jorgen doesn't spent any precious coding-time on this at least until all important features are implemented (well and actually also all the not so important one) and until all bugs are fixed...

- well then he should actually do a long holiday, play halflife2 (or probably HL5 by then ) for a few months, spend more time with his missus whatever - and if he really wants it then - why not - I'm not objecting to this idea

[Caleb]

yes, i know, but it is only for midi ... i`d like to have it as a seperate editor window, and i want it to be responsable for _all_ content of the arrange, i.e. position of audiofiles, envelopes etc ...

reg,

And I'm guessing you want it as an editor rather than just a viewer as it is now.

Caleb

[Noox]

And I'm guessing you want it as an editor rather than just a viewer as it is now.

Yeah, I know how brok landers feels. As a former Logic user,I've felt Apple's takeover on Emagic as a treason too, professionally speaking of course.

After all, it was the best tool ever seen for synchronizing audio and MIDI over movies, which was part of my job. This explains without a doubt why I'm a pure fanatic of the video player comp's request (or track, or whatever Jorgen will give us provided it is synced).

[jens]

After all, it was the best tool ever seen for synchronizing audio and MIDI over movies, which was part of my job. This explains without a doubt why I'm a pure fanatic of the video player comp's request (or track, or whatever Jorgen will give us provided it is synced).

could you explain this a bit?

I think such an editor would be completely useless/redundant but maybe that's just because I'm too narrow-minded - I'm interested in reading some cool stuff I don't know yet...

[Noox]

but maybe that's just because I'm too narrow-minded

You definitly are on that particular subject !
I wanted to write "...provided it is synced and it annoys jens)"



No, seriously, the thing is not about having an editor as there's plenty of them. Logic couldn't edit video files. Neither did it have play, pause, or stop buttons for the video window. The magic was just that it converted video timecode to MIDI timecode in order to enslave the video preview to the sequencer. Nothing more. If your video was in PAL (ie 50 frames per sec), putting a sample or a midi note at 1 sec on the sequencer timeline made it play on the 26th picture of the video. It's as simple as that.

Including this feature in eXT would mean two changes :

1 - Being able to load a video file somewhere and having a video window given by any mean necessary (a comp, a track, or whatever...). Being able to resize it would be great.

2 - Having a cross-compatible timecode for the user to use it efficiently. It means being able to show the time as Hours:Mins:Secs:Millisecs for example.

Nothing more. No editing functions, no video effects, as there's no use for them. Just a synced video player.

Even more, this is not a feature to implement for tomorrow. . There's no hurry. Let's do what has to be done before. I just hope Jorgen will add it one day, because that would extend the usability of eXT to other 'fields'.

I hope it reassures you jens.

[jens]

o.k. thanks - so I have to admit that it would be a useful feature for video-synchronisation so whenever Jorgen adds video-support it should be on the list - can we agree on that?

[Noox]

Now, it's a deal.

[Noox]

Eh, almost forgot a HUGE detail :

3 - Being able to input decimals in the BPM count (ie being able to run the sequencer at 102.47 BPM, for example). Together with a tempo track, this is a killer !

[jens]

Now, it's a deal.

[brok landers]

yes, i know, but it is only for midi ... i`d like to have it as a seperate editor window, and i want it to be responsable for _all_ content of the arrange, i.e. position of audiofiles, envelopes etc ...

reg,

And I'm guessing you want it as an editor rather than just a viewer as it is now.

Caleb

correct ... we seem to have similar approaches ...
sometimes numerical editing via simple [numberstatus > drag up/down] is just more handy than doing it graphically (f.e. nudging the position of an audiofile in the arrange) ...

reg,

[brok landers]

the sequencer window, a piano roll editor and an event/list editor.

here's something which isn't too obvious:

in the midi-editor you can drag the border left from the piano-roll to the right and TATA - here's your event-list

yes, i know, but it is only for midi ... i`d like to have it as a seperate editor window, and i want it to be responsable for _all_ content of the arrange, i.e. position of audiofiles, envelopes etc ...

reg,

o.k. I see - no offense, mate, but I really hope Jorgen doesn't spent any precious coding-time on this at least until all important features are implemented (well and actually also all the not so important one) and until all bugs are fixed...

no problem, mate ...
of course bugs have to be fixed first.
what good is a feature if bugs make it unable to work reliably with the feature packed software ?
but on the other hand, its hard to wait for the software to reach the state so that i can actually use it in general ...
as i need it to replace my sequencer (wich of course is a subjective iussue) i cannot use it up to now, allthough i hope it gets there so hard, that i actually ordered it even though i know its not ...
i simply trust in jorgen and his professionality ...

reg,

reg,

[tjvigil66]

...i`d like to prepare everything as generic as possible, so that, if i start to work, my workspace is prepared as best as it can be for every situation/type of work.
no need to set up the stuff again and again and again, when changing the type of work....

The effect & instrument versions of EnergyXT will do exactly what you want...they are the empty cups that you are describing...with the added bonus of being about to add multiple ingredients into your cup instead of just coffee!