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- KVRist
- 179 posts since 1 Apr, 2014
Dongles are awful things, and make me avoid the software in question. There's a few programs that I've wanted to buy, but won't commit to having a dongle in my system. The reasons are as others have said - if you lose it or break it, it's hassle. And it takes up a valuable USB port, which is no good for laptop use.
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- KVRer
- 14 posts since 23 Mar, 2013 from Russian Federation / Ivanovo
For example I have no commercial projects. I just doing the music because I love to do it. Maybe at the future it will give me some profit but for now music to be a hobby is good for me.Crackbaby wrote: How many serious projects can you make before Bitwig goes bust or stops supporting before you made a profit from whatever advantages Bitwig gives you? Minus the cost of the program (which is nothing if you make money producing..)
P.S. already bought BWS even here in Russia where not so many people like to buy software for fun cause we have some other problems. And it's beautiful that I can go to my friend, temporarily activate BWS on his machine and do some job
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- KVRist
- 240 posts since 23 Apr, 2014
Come on, it's easy to understand that a choice, a best compromise must be done ... and stop moaning about one or another 
Whatever the protection system, it should be as strong as possible, and have no impact on the everyday use. Like many other things with daws, the impact depends on how you use the software ... always ... some change their computer very often, some don't, etc ...
Whatever the protection system, it should be as strong as possible, and have no impact on the everyday use. Like many other things with daws, the impact depends on how you use the software ... always ... some change their computer very often, some don't, etc ...
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- KVRer
- 1 posts since 13 Dec, 2014
Node-locked C/R "protection" -- rats! Just about took the plunge with Bitwig, as it looks very promising -- especially since we're moving our studio step-by-step to run exclusively on Linux machines. The time, risk, and hassle spent managing the Windows platform has become too expensive and onerous to justify, when compared to the flexibility and reliability of Linux. This is especially true since the rest of our business has been moved to Linux for a number of years already, with the exception of a few EE development tools that we still run on Windows in VMs. The savings in time and money have been significant, and the degree to which we can tune kernel performance for low-latency recording is unbeatable.
Though I understand the issues Bitwig faces in protecting their IP, and that the decisions they have to make here should be terrifying for them, their licensing mechanism is a show-stopper for long-term project studios. If Bitwig (the company) is purchased, decides to stop support, or goes out of business, we'd have to worry about never being able to move Bitwig to another machine, and the thousands of hours of work locked up in Bitwig's proprietary format could well become inaccessible. Far too risky for the level of time and money involved in each project.
We're willing to pay very good money for the right professional tools, but not when they have the potential to cause a risk to our business, long-term.
We've learned the hard way. We have been burned by node-locked licenses in the past, esp. with many plugins that are no longer available. Never again! Now we avoid plugins, and prefer to use our favorite external hardware whenever possible. On occasion, we still have to fire up PCs running Logic Audio (the last version available for the PC) and an ancient version of Nuendo, to tweak/rework old projects. Without the use of either hardware protection (dongles), or a license that we can transfer ourselves to new machines as necessary, it's simply not worth the risk that thousands of hours of work could be inaccessible a few years down the road, because of a risky copy protection policy. To mitigate these risks, we're slowly and painfully moving critical old projects from Logic/Nuendo to Ardour, which is no fun at all! Ardour works for us, but it hasn't always been easy, to say the least.
Anyone using a DAW for business purposes, would do well to consider what happens 10-15 years down the road, when you just might want to re-visit old projects. For some, this may not matter, but in our business it's a critical consideration.
Still, we'll keep an eye on Bitwig to see how things progress for them on Linux. I can't tell you how much we'd like to support companies like Bitwig, who understand that it's only a matter of time before the music production world realizes the power and flexibility of Linux. For now though, Ardour is working nicely, and is surely getting better all the time.
Best of luck Bitwig -- we'll be watching!
Though I understand the issues Bitwig faces in protecting their IP, and that the decisions they have to make here should be terrifying for them, their licensing mechanism is a show-stopper for long-term project studios. If Bitwig (the company) is purchased, decides to stop support, or goes out of business, we'd have to worry about never being able to move Bitwig to another machine, and the thousands of hours of work locked up in Bitwig's proprietary format could well become inaccessible. Far too risky for the level of time and money involved in each project.
We're willing to pay very good money for the right professional tools, but not when they have the potential to cause a risk to our business, long-term.
We've learned the hard way. We have been burned by node-locked licenses in the past, esp. with many plugins that are no longer available. Never again! Now we avoid plugins, and prefer to use our favorite external hardware whenever possible. On occasion, we still have to fire up PCs running Logic Audio (the last version available for the PC) and an ancient version of Nuendo, to tweak/rework old projects. Without the use of either hardware protection (dongles), or a license that we can transfer ourselves to new machines as necessary, it's simply not worth the risk that thousands of hours of work could be inaccessible a few years down the road, because of a risky copy protection policy. To mitigate these risks, we're slowly and painfully moving critical old projects from Logic/Nuendo to Ardour, which is no fun at all! Ardour works for us, but it hasn't always been easy, to say the least.
Anyone using a DAW for business purposes, would do well to consider what happens 10-15 years down the road, when you just might want to re-visit old projects. For some, this may not matter, but in our business it's a critical consideration.
Still, we'll keep an eye on Bitwig to see how things progress for them on Linux. I can't tell you how much we'd like to support companies like Bitwig, who understand that it's only a matter of time before the music production world realizes the power and flexibility of Linux. For now though, Ardour is working nicely, and is surely getting better all the time.
Best of luck Bitwig -- we'll be watching!