Upcoming Synapse OB-Xa: Obsession

[TheMaestro]

And why anyone mentions Diva when talking about emulations is beyond me.
It doesn't sound analog. In a blind test between Diva and analog hardware, people chose Diva as the analog hardware.

I've never seen someone so convincingly argue with himself and lose all in the same two sentences. Very impressive.

How is that a lost argument?
Diva didn't sound as the analog hardware. It might have sounded "better", but did not sound as the hardware, because the hardware did.

[fuzzlightyear]

Since we're on the topic of comparing software to hardware...

Behringer Shares The Final Design Of The UB-Xa Synthesizer

https://www.synthanatomy.com/2020/04/be ... sizer.html

Where does this fit into any comparisons or decision making?

[mholloway]

people chose Diva as the analog hardware.

Somehow, you are missing your own point. It's right there. You wrote it.

[mholloway]

Since we're on the topic of comparing software to hardware...

Behringer Shares The Final Design Of The UB-Xa Synthesizer

https://www.synthanatomy.com/2020/04/be ... sizer.html

Where does this fit into any comparisons or decision making?

It fits like this: F--- Behringer.

[fuzzlightyear]

Since we're on the topic of comparing software to hardware...

Behringer Shares The Final Design Of The UB-Xa Synthesizer

https://www.synthanatomy.com/2020/04/be ... sizer.html

Where does this fit into any comparisons or decision making?

It fits like this: F--- Behringer.

Did Uli x-touch you in the wrong place?

[PAK]

Yes, but Obsession is kind of unique. While it emulates the OB-Xa brilliantly, it can do things I've never seen in any other synth plugin, DUNE 3 included.

You are all being very vague

One easy way, to improve individual voice adjustment, would be to go beyond a simple trimmer concept, and add various ways to modulate each adjustment - effectively simulating control over the individual component drift of each voice, and not just an offset.

That might be interesting, especially when you went to "doubled up" instances.. as it'd provide a more "analogue like" experience, where otherwise you'd have to deliberately adjust things to create less identical layers

[AnX]

Since we're on the topic of comparing software to hardware...



Where does this fit into any comparisons or decision making?

it doesnt

[Teksonik]

And why anyone mentions Diva when talking about emulations is beyond me.
It doesn't sound analog. In a blind test between Diva and analog hardware, people chose Diva as the analog hardware.

I've never seen someone so convincingly argue with himself and lose all in the same two sentences. Very impressive.

How is that a lost argument?
Diva didn't sound as the analog hardware. It might have sounded "better", but did not sound as the hardware, because the hardware did.

That doesn't even make sense. The hardware sounds like the hardware....

If in a blind test people can't tell the difference between the analog hardware and DIVA then you can certainly say DIVA sounds analog.

First of all what does "sound analog" even mean ? It's like saying "this food is spicy". Sweet spicy ? Hot spicy ?

Anyway enough about DIVA. If OBsession sounds better than the hardware will you say it doesn't "sound analog" ?

[zerocrossing]

And why anyone mentions Diva when talking about emulations is beyond me.
It doesn't sound analog. In a blind test between Diva and analog hardware, people chose Diva as the analog hardware.

I've never seen someone so convincingly argue with himself and lose all in the same two sentences. Very impressive.

How is that a lost argument?
Diva didn't sound as the analog hardware. It might have sounded "better", but did not sound as the hardware, because the hardware did.

That doesn't even make sense. The hardware sounds like the hardware....

If in a blind test people can't tell the difference between the analog hardware and DIVA then you can certainly say DIVA sounds analog.

First of all what does "sound analog" even mean ? It's like saying "this food is spicy". Sweet spicy ? Hot spicy ?

Anyway enough about DIVA. If OBsession sounds better than the hardware will you say it doesn't "sound analog" ?

I don’t quite understand why Diva is being brought up here, but how anyone could say that it does not sound analog... that’s pretty incredulous. Are there some points where it shows its digital nature? Yeah, it’s definitely not as good as RePro in some respects, but it’s not RePro. You get double the voices, and lots of other tricks. That said, with a majority of analog sounds, Diva still holds its own, but it isn’t a direct emulation either. How many times does it have to be brought up? Urs has stated that in my ways he made alterations when he thought he could get things to be more to his personal taste. That doesn’t diminish it in my mind. I personally don’t really care about perfect emulations as much as I care about sounds that I like. Even RePro extended things like filter cutoff beyond the original spec. I love that.

[TheMaestro]

And why anyone mentions Diva when talking about emulations is beyond me.
It doesn't sound analog. In a blind test between Diva and analog hardware, people chose Diva as the analog hardware.

I've never seen someone so convincingly argue with himself and lose all in the same two sentences. Very impressive.

How is that a lost argument?
Diva didn't sound as the analog hardware. It might have sounded "better", but did not sound as the hardware, because the hardware did.

That doesn't even make sense. The hardware sounds like the hardware....

If in a blind test people can't tell the difference between the analog hardware and DIVA then you can certainly say DIVA sounds analog.

First of all what does "sound analog" even mean ? It's like saying "this food is spicy". Sweet spicy ? Hot spicy ?

Anyway enough about DIVA. If OBsession sounds better than the hardware will you say it doesn't "sound analog" ?

There WAS a difference. That's why they chose Diva.

[TheMaestro]

And why anyone mentions Diva when talking about emulations is beyond me.
It doesn't sound analog. In a blind test between Diva and analog hardware, people chose Diva as the analog hardware.

I've never seen someone so convincingly argue with himself and lose all in the same two sentences. Very impressive.

How is that a lost argument?
Diva didn't sound as the analog hardware. It might have sounded "better", but did not sound as the hardware, because the hardware did.

That doesn't even make sense. The hardware sounds like the hardware....

If in a blind test people can't tell the difference between the analog hardware and DIVA then you can certainly say DIVA sounds analog.

First of all what does "sound analog" even mean ? It's like saying "this food is spicy". Sweet spicy ? Hot spicy ?

Anyway enough about DIVA. If OBsession sounds better than the hardware will you say it doesn't "sound analog" ?

Exactly. The hardware sounds like hardware. If there's a difference and people chose Diva, then Diva doesn't sound like the hardware analog.

If OBsession sounds better than the hardware will you say it doesn't "sound analog?
Well, then it would'nt sound like the hardware, would it.

[vurt]

And why anyone mentions Diva when talking about emulations is beyond me.
It doesn't sound analog. In a blind test between Diva and analog hardware, people chose Diva as the analog hardware.

I've never seen someone so convincingly argue with himself and lose all in the same two sentences. Very impressive.

How is that a lost argument?
Diva didn't sound as the analog hardware. It might have sounded "better", but did not sound as the hardware, because the hardware did.

That doesn't even make sense. The hardware sounds like the hardware....

If in a blind test people can't tell the difference between the analog hardware and DIVA then you can certainly say DIVA sounds analog.

First of all what does "sound analog" even mean ? It's like saying "this food is spicy". Sweet spicy ? Hot spicy ?

Anyway enough about DIVA. If OBsession sounds better than the hardware will you say it doesn't "sound analog" ?

I don’t quite understand why Diva is being brought up here, but how anyone could say that it does not sound analog... that’s pretty incredulous. Are there some points where it shows its digital nature? Yeah, it’s definitely not as good as RePro in some respects, but it’s not RePro. You get double the voices, and lots of other tricks. That said, with a majority of analog sounds, Diva still holds its own, but it isn’t a direct emulation either. How many times does it have to be brought up? Urs has stated that in my ways he made alterations when he thought he could get things to be more to his personal taste. That doesn’t diminish it in my mind. I personally don’t really care about perfect emulations as much as I care about sounds that I like. Even RePro extended things like filter cutoff beyond the original spec. I love that.

better still "diva doesnt sound analog, because in a blind test with an analog synth, people chose diva".

mind. melted.

[chk071]

The problem is that you will never know if that was because there was a difference, or because there's so many golden ears here and elsewhere.

If you don't do some fancy stuff like synthetically adding noise to the soft synths (like the guy who did that Diva soundset did), the difference will be obvious anyway. And, even if you do, the difference will probably be apparent.

Anyway, none of that really is the point though. That A/B "comparison" was already flawed from the start, because the guy who did it tried to match sounds as close as possible. By designing them as close as possible. Take two synths, dial the same stuff in, and then compare. That's a much better approach.

Not that any of that stuff really matters for this synth.

[wagtunes]

Why are we comparing Diva to an OB-Xa?

I'm so confused.

[TheMaestro]

Why are we comparing Diva to an OB-Xa?

I'm so confused.

We're not.
Yes you're confused.