Repro-1 (out now)
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adamgrossmanLG adamgrossmanLG https://www.kvraudio.com/forum/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=398192
- KVRist
- 42 posts since 10 May, 2017
sure it has, but then I think... all the other sounds coming out of the synth sound amazing as-is.... just not that kick sound
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- KVRAF
- 5913 posts since 25 Jan, 2007
It's almost like someone EQ'd and treated one particular sound and not every single one of them in exactly the same way regardless of how it sounded. Crazy.adamgrossmanLG wrote:sure it has, but then I think... all the other sounds coming out of the synth sound amazing as-is.... just not that kick sound
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adamgrossmanLG adamgrossmanLG https://www.kvraudio.com/forum/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=398192
- KVRist
- 42 posts since 10 May, 2017
ive watched videos of people making the kick sound unprocessed, and it sounds great.
I have a feeling it has to do with the nature of softsynths though. I never found softsynths to be able to make great kick drums or some other low thick sounds....
check these demo clips out, all unprocessed. listen to the kicks especially, but even other stuff that filters low frequencies.
you think this VST sounds like this?
http://www.loopmasters.com/genres/81-Sy ... e-playlist
I have a feeling it has to do with the nature of softsynths though. I never found softsynths to be able to make great kick drums or some other low thick sounds....
check these demo clips out, all unprocessed. listen to the kicks especially, but even other stuff that filters low frequencies.
you think this VST sounds like this?
http://www.loopmasters.com/genres/81-Sy ... e-playlist
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- KVRAF
- 26934 posts since 3 Feb, 2005 from in the wilds
The point of quoting the video is that he had to deviate from the sheets to get in the ballpark. So dialing in the exact settings even on a hardware Pro-One did not get the same sounds. So it is possible that you could get closer to that sound in RePro-1 by not using the exact settings... there are also the tweaks page options which I assume are there to in some measure account for the differences from one hardware Pro-One to another.adamgrossmanLG wrote:forget the video, its not that great... however, see the article with Vince Clarke's BD patch. OK, the Yazoo "Lonely You" preset isnt exact, BUT i dialed in the exact settings (or close to) and its wimpy.
I know its not a big beefy kick, but its missing that analog goodness... the richness, you know?
You may be right that RePro-1 does not accurately do that particular sound, but I think you would need to do more due diligence to actually draw a solid conclusion... also because the sound could have post processing there are too many unknown variables.
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adamgrossmanLG adamgrossmanLG https://www.kvraudio.com/forum/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=398192
- KVRist
- 42 posts since 10 May, 2017
well, i dare someone to get as good as kicks as you here on the loopmasters link i sent. those are totally dry and unprocessed. I can't.
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- u-he
- Topic Starter
- 30180 posts since 8 Aug, 2002 from Berlin
I didn't know the real Pro-One had a built-in reverb...adamgrossmanLG wrote:http://www.loopmasters.com/genres/81-Sy ... e-playlist
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adamgrossmanLG adamgrossmanLG https://www.kvraudio.com/forum/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=398192
- KVRist
- 42 posts since 10 May, 2017
the dry ones....
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- u-he
- Topic Starter
- 30180 posts since 8 Aug, 2002 from Berlin
Yes, I guess the demos are dry (as in: no post processing of the loops), but the loops themselves weren't recorded dry at all.adamgrossmanLG wrote:the dry ones....
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- u-he
- Topic Starter
- 30180 posts since 8 Aug, 2002 from Berlin
(anyhow, I don't have time for this. If you can't produce proof, I see no incentive to fix anything)
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- KVRian
- 751 posts since 22 Aug, 2002 from on the inside looking out
I listened to all the demo loops on that page but there was nothing there that stood out as a particularly impressive kick drum. Which one were you using for reference?adamgrossmanLG wrote:you think this VST sounds like this?
http://www.loopmasters.com/genres/81-Sy ... e-playlist
I have wave alchemy's synth drums and I can definitely get close to the basic sound of a number of their unprocessed pro-one kick drums using repro-1. The exact position of knobs is crucial, though, as very small changes in certain parameters produced quite different sounding kicks. The different filter types also produced interesting variations. So even on a quick test I would definitely not regard repro-1 in any way deficient. I have a really decent set of headphones and monitoring system so I am pretty sure I am not missing anything.
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- KVRAF
- 5200 posts since 17 Aug, 2004
That's your fault then not softsynths fault. And you obviously never heard Reaktor synth drums free from user library. Some serious drum machines there. If you are so desperate for software synth Kicks i suggest you try Reaktor FM kickdrum from library or Jomox Airbase kick emu. They will blow your speaker out of proportion. Far better then any example on your website (edit i mean on links you posted).adamgrossmanLG wrote: I have a feeling it has to do with the nature of softsynths though. I never found softsynths to be able to make great kick drums or some other low thick sounds....
Or maybe better post here dry kick example which you think is god kick from another dimension so other may suggest something more appropriate then what i proposed.
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- KVRian
- 814 posts since 18 May, 2007 from Berlin
Everyone, thanks for the lively thread, and feel free to test your listening skills with this small hardware vs software example. For my part, I don't think Repro-1 lacks anything in the lower department:
https://uhesongs-heckmannaudiogmb.netdn ... ick_01.wav
14 kick sounds in here, 2 of which are hardware samples from a before-mentioned library. The other 12 are Repro-1. Also, under each kick is a little bit of hardware output noise from the original, just so you can't use your audio editor to look at the noise floor and cheat.
Can you tell which 2 kicks are the hardware?
https://uhesongs-heckmannaudiogmb.netdn ... ick_01.wav
14 kick sounds in here, 2 of which are hardware samples from a before-mentioned library. The other 12 are Repro-1. Also, under each kick is a little bit of hardware output noise from the original, just so you can't use your audio editor to look at the noise floor and cheat.
Can you tell which 2 kicks are the hardware?
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fluffy_little_something fluffy_little_something https://www.kvraudio.com/forum/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=281847
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- 12880 posts since 5 Jun, 2012
If I remember the demo version right, that synth is not ideal for kick drums and other percussive stuff to begin with.adamgrossmanLG wrote:So i just downloaded the demo... OK most sounds are great, however - the KICK drums... as with most softsynths.... they don't even come close. They sound weak. I think softsynths fail in the lower end frequencies.
The two yazoo kicks sound nothing close and infact they barely sound passable at all
Something like Sylenth1 on the other hand is perfect because it has oscillators with retrigger and phase control, as well as fully retriggering envelopes.
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adamgrossmanLG adamgrossmanLG https://www.kvraudio.com/forum/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=398192
- KVRist
- 42 posts since 10 May, 2017
I am sorry if I ruffled some feathers, that was not my intent at all.
I am new to u-He and have no doubt they make high quality products. Like I said earlier, I love the quality of the presets offered - truly amazing.
I guess I was just having some issues with the 2 yazoo kick presets they attempted to design. To me, it is nowhere close, and when I try to make it, it seems like it falls flat.
Of course it could be user error.
In regards to the kick wavs above, I can't tell any difference at all, so it - I am impressed, however those are thick long kicks. The kick I am looking to design is very close to the Yazoo kicks on "Upstairs At Erics". Kinda thin with that analog snappy feel to it.
I feel like softsynths in general have problems in that area - not just this one. Something about getting a full tight short snappy kick with softsynths (I could be VERY wrong on this one).
Examples of what I thought those Yazoo kicks would sound like:
they sound thin, yet rich and analog.
I am new to u-He and have no doubt they make high quality products. Like I said earlier, I love the quality of the presets offered - truly amazing.
I guess I was just having some issues with the 2 yazoo kick presets they attempted to design. To me, it is nowhere close, and when I try to make it, it seems like it falls flat.
Of course it could be user error.
In regards to the kick wavs above, I can't tell any difference at all, so it - I am impressed, however those are thick long kicks. The kick I am looking to design is very close to the Yazoo kicks on "Upstairs At Erics". Kinda thin with that analog snappy feel to it.
I feel like softsynths in general have problems in that area - not just this one. Something about getting a full tight short snappy kick with softsynths (I could be VERY wrong on this one).
Examples of what I thought those Yazoo kicks would sound like:
they sound thin, yet rich and analog.
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- Banned
- 10729 posts since 17 Nov, 2015
The unshushable Coktor wrote:Everyone, thanks for the lively thread, and feel free to test your listening skills with this small hardware vs software example. For my part, I don't think Repro-1 lacks anything in the lower department:
https://uhesongs-heckmannaudiogmb.netdn ... ick_01.wav
14 kick sounds in here, 2 of which are hardware samples from a before-mentioned library. The other 12 are Repro-1. Also, under each kick is a little bit of hardware output noise from the original, just so you can't use your audio editor to look at the noise floor and cheat.
Can you tell which 2 kicks are the hardware?
Does it matter? I use samples of kicks that i like/suit the track. Doesnt matter to me what they are from...