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ariston · Post by **ariston** » Tue Jun 16, 2020 6:27 am

BONES wrote: Tue Jun 16, 2020 3:06 am
ariston wrote: Mon Jun 15, 2020 1:03 pmThe world of adults that I live in doesn't resort to calling other people names like a child throwing a tantrum after dropping his ice cream onto the footpath. Must be a different world you're living in.
Your world of adults is illusory. It's the one that withdrew Gone With the Wind, Little Britain and an episode of Fawlty Towers from streaming services because the very thought that someone might mistake Fawlty Towers for a factual programme means a joke about Germans is completely unconscionable. It is not a world most of us accept, it is one that is foisted upon us, despite our objections.

Awww, we all know you just need some love and hugs, Bones, you sweet curmudgeon you. Who knows? You might start covering some Donovan before this is all over.

ariston · Post by **ariston** » Tue Jun 16, 2020 6:29 am

miloszz wrote: Tue Jun 16, 2020 5:54 am Every time I check in on this thread to see if the synth released it's gotten 10 pages longer and 10 times dumber.

It's all Richard's fault for not releasing the bloody thing!

revvy · Post by **revvy** » Tue Jun 16, 2020 6:46 am

Is the release really today or was that just bs?

ariston · Post by **ariston** » Tue Jun 16, 2020 6:57 am

revvy wrote: Tue Jun 16, 2020 6:46 am Is the release really today or was that just bs?

I don't believe anyone here is actually privy to that information.

EnGee · Post by **EnGee** » Tue Jun 16, 2020 7:03 am

Regarding the presets, what I personally like are presets that useful for me to be used in a song. The best presets in Dune and Legend for me are the ones by Richard himself. I really think they are perfect because not only sound great but i can use them again and again.

Anyway, all synths these days (and even in the 90's) come with many "demo" presets that sound fantastic and makes jump from excitement, but they are just demo sounds and usually it is a sequence or two playing.

Ingo's presets, for me, some are very good and I use them. For AnX's presets that I heard, I liked them and I think they are useful and can be used. I don't know really, I don't use Aftertouch at all, but use mod wheel all the time, anyway, I believe that aftertouch is only usable in slow pads or very long press on keys, how can you use aftertouch with fast bass or melody!? Unless you play keyboards like drums

So, I wish for usable presets rather than showy ones.

There is an idea, the presets that are not included can be gathered in one package and offered for sale (optional maybe, the returns or some of them can be donated for a chosen charity).

Ingonator · Post by **Ingonator** » Tue Jun 16, 2020 7:37 am

EnGee wrote: Tue Jun 16, 2020 7:03 am There is an idea, the presets that are not included can be gathered in one package and offered for sale (optional maybe, the returns or some of them can be donated for a chosen charity).

I plan to post a free download at KVR for my patches that are not included in the factory content. I had mentioned this to Richard and he agreed that this would be a good idea.
I already hear certain people here calling me "spamming" KVR with my patches but usually those the people that complain about everything that i do or post here...

vurt · Post by **vurt** » Tue Jun 16, 2020 7:47 am

AnX wrote: Tue Jun 16, 2020 2:49 am I did notice the name "himalaya" on the forum, but didn't see him post anything, so assumed he was making factory sounds..... but haven't seen any (unless he used his real name, whatever that is)

BT also seemed to be lacking in the preset department....

no brandon trinity patches?
im out!

ariston · Post by **ariston** » Tue Jun 16, 2020 7:54 am

EnGee wrote: Tue Jun 16, 2020 7:03 am
I don't know really, I don't use Aftertouch at all, but use mod wheel all the time, anyway, I believe that aftertouch is only usable in slow pads or very long press on keys, how can you use aftertouch with fast bass or melody!? Unless you play keyboards like drums

There is an idea, the presets that are not included can be gathered in one package and offered for sale (optional maybe, the returns or some of them can be donated for a chosen charity).

I use AT on some solos, when you come to rest on a note and want to enhance the expression. The keyboardists' way of doing the guitarists' "whiddly whiddly wee!".

Regarding the presets: U-He usually release a bank with all the presets that didn't make the cut for the factory bank. Maybe Synapse can do the same.

Ingonator · Post by **Ingonator** » Tue Jun 16, 2020 8:15 am

ariston wrote: Tue Jun 16, 2020 7:54 am Regarding the presets: U-He usually release a bank with all the presets that didn't make the cut for the factory bank. Maybe Synapse can do the same.

If you mean as a free bank then i would agree as i wanted to post a free download for my sorted out patches anyway.
This is just my own opinion and all sound designers would have to agree to have their patches inckuded in that bank.

Some testers might also want to update those patches so that they can be part of the factory content in an upcoming OBsesioon update. AnX already mentioned this here.
Last but not least certain testers might want to use the sorted out patches as a starting point for their own soundsets.

EnGee · Post by **EnGee** » Tue Jun 16, 2020 8:16 am

@ingonator:
That would be great. Thanks

ariston wrote: Tue Jun 16, 2020 7:54 am
I use AT on some solos, when you come to rest on a note and want to enhance the expression. The keyboardists' way of doing the guitarists' "whiddly whiddly wee!".

Yes I can find it useful here, but repeating it seems very tiring for the fingers!

Regarding the presets: U-He usually release a bank with all the presets that didn't make the cut for the factory bank. Maybe Synapse can do the same.

Very good idea! Yes, u-he is doing this with all their synths and I don't think it is difficult for SA to do the same

BONES · Post by **BONES** » Tue Jun 16, 2020 8:35 am

rezoneight wrote: Tue Jun 16, 2020 2:51 amHonestly this is some of the dumbest shit I've read in a long time. They're not famous to him, they're famous. There is a Minimoog sound that most people know and I suspect you know it too and are just getting off by being obtuse in a forum.

What you need to understand is that our knowledge is very specialised. 99% of the population wouldn't be able to pick a MiniMoog out of a line-up, let alone pick its sound out of a song. And hand on my heart, I was unaware there were any MM sounds that even pretended to fame.

It's not something that has ever interested me, in that I've never felt that I needed a particular instrument to get a particular sound. I have always used whatever was in front of me, I've never worried about what synth may have been used by someone else to make a particular sound. To get the "famous" Jump sound back in the day, for example, I used an ElectroHarmonix MiniSynthesizer and it did a credible enough job of it for my needs. Back then, when I wanted big fat basslines, I didn't go looking at what other people used, I tried all the instruments I owned and discovered that my ARP Axxe did a great job, so I used that. I was much happier with the Axxe than I would ever have been with a MiniMoog because I'd tried the MM and didn't like its sound at all. It wouldn't have mattered to me in the slightest who had used it for what. Of course, the fact the Axxe was a lot cheaper used didn't hurt, either.

Anyone who has a passing interest in vintage synthesizers knows these sounds.

I don't and my interest was more than "passing" at the time.

Anyone who had ears in the 70s and 80s knows this sound.

That doesn't mean they know what it is. To use an example from this thread, the Tom Sawyer sound that everyone seems to associate with the OB-Xa is a sound I have never heard in my life because I have never heard any Rush song in my life. Rush never had anything approaching a profile here in Australia so what you might take for granted as a sound everybody knows isn't necessarily a sound everybody knows. I didn't even know that the Jump sound was made with an OB-Xa until this year because it doesn't interest me. I know that one of my favourite bands from the 1980s, Outline, used an OB-Xa on stage and that's where my interest in the synth comes from. You can check Outline out here -

Ingonator · Post by **Ingonator** » Tue Jun 16, 2020 8:40 am

EnGee wrote: Tue Jun 16, 2020 8:16 am
ariston wrote: Tue Jun 16, 2020 7:54 am Regarding the presets: U-He usually release a bank with all the presets that didn't make the cut for the factory bank. Maybe Synapse can do the same.
Very good idea! Yes, u-he is doing this with all their synths and I don't think it is difficult for SA to do the same

I just started a new thread at the betaforum with this idea.

IIRC Synapse Audio has not done this with their other plugins yet so i am not sure if they would be interested in it.

BONES · Post by **BONES** » Tue Jun 16, 2020 8:42 am

Funkybot's Evil Twin wrote: Tue Jun 16, 2020 5:19 am Also Bones, the words f*cktard and idiot are synonyms.

No, they are not. As I said, the dictionary definition for idiot is a stupid person while the definition of fucktard is a contemptible or stupid person. The latter carries a weight the former lacks.

Calling someone either is saying the same thing.

No, it's a massive difference of degree, like the difference between "I don't care for that person" and "I hate that fucktard's foul, black guts".

revvy wrote: Tue Jun 16, 2020 5:53 am Staw men all over this thread. If bones and anx are allowed to serially insult others, we should all be allowed. If we are not, then neither should they be.

It's only an insult if it's not true and I never call anyone an idiot without explaining as precisely as I can why they are.

surreal · Post by **surreal** » Tue Jun 16, 2020 8:51 am

Funkybot's Evil Twin wrote: Tue Jun 16, 2020 5:11 am
BONES wrote: Tue Jun 16, 2020 3:06 amSarcasm is obviously lost on you, then
I've met enough musicians over the years who've told me about how their record is "the number 3 dark metal album in Sweden" with a straight face that forgive me for thinking you may have been doing the same. I certainly wouldn't put that type of thing past you.

BONES wrote:Nobody and why should they? It's not like I made a fuss about it, which kind of shows that your whole assessment is completely wrong.
I missed the sarcasm noted above. That portion of my post was wrong. I've also been wrong in the past about other things and will be again in the future. I am not infallible. I freely admit this and never claimed otherwise.

But maybe you're also not great as great as you think you are at conveying sarcasm.

BONES wrote:There is no greater example than my ongoing crusade against Moog's ladder filter. I can provide irrefutable evidence of its (significant) shortcomings, people can agree that yes, it goes to shit as you turn the resonance up, but they still won't discard their belief that it's a great filter. What can you call people like that other than "idiots"?
You know it can suck at high resonance bass sounds and still be good at other things right? Like maybe high resonance bass sounds aren't a sound we all want all the time, but maybe it sounds amazing for lower resonance bass sounds. Like most synth basslines of the 70s to miss 80s. Or maybe that particular resonance trait works well on other sources where you won't need as much bass in the mix like certain lead sounds. No one's saying that the Moog ladder filter doesn't lose bass at high resonance. It does. Where you get into arguments is by not understanding that your opinion on the overall quality of the filter is an "irrefutable fact." Other people may still love the sound of it for other reasons. It's like saying Ferraris are terrible cars because you can't fit your luggage in the trunk. Like ok.... Yeah, that may not be a thing they do well. But if you're buying one, it obviously shouldn't be for the trunk space. If you want a high res bass sound that holds the bottom, you don't use a Moog filter. That one trait isn't the only criteria by which all filters are judged.

But you do use the word crusade and maybe that's what this is. Crusades aren't about logic.

One guy argues today that if he doesn't know someone then they're not famous (fame is not opinion, not personally recognizing something is famous doesn't mean it's not - just means you didn't know it) and another guy is arguing about the irrefutable fact that the filter he has negative opinion of isn't anything more than his opinion. Not recognizing Donald Trump wouldn't mean he's not famous, it would mean you didn't recognize a famous person. Not liking the Moog filter doesn't make it an irrefutable fact that the Moog filter is bad to anyone other than you. The former example is not an opinion, the latter example is.

Sorry to derail your answer... could you please recommend me some vst synths that has a very nice high res bass that has a full bass frequency.. (asking this out of genuine intrest as I have been searching for this for a long long time!!)

Ingonator · Post by **Ingonator** » Tue Jun 16, 2020 9:15 am

surreal wrote: Tue Jun 16, 2020 8:51 am Sorry to derail your answer... could you please recommend me some vst synths that has a very nice high res bass that has a full bass frequency.. (asking this out of genuine intrest as I have been searching for this for a long long time!!)

The 2-pole LPF in OBsession.

Other choices are for example:
- "AM Polaris 24dB" filter model in DUNE 3 (my favorite analog filter there)
- "AM Alpha 24dB" filter model in DUNE 3
- "SK Lowpass 12dB" in DUNE 3 (= Sallen Key filter)
- "Uhbie" filter in Diva.
- "Bite" LPF in Diva (= MS-20 Sallen Key filter)
- Arturia SEM V2
- 2-pole LPF in OB-Xd (freeware)

Upcoming Synapse OB-Xa: Obsession