Bazille - most misunderstood synth?

[ghettosynth]

Well, yes, a Synthex is most def on the table for Diva. I've got a mint Synthex and I love it. I don't care much about recreating all its gimmicks, I only care about its sonic properties. Hence Diva is a good framework for it.

Which is exactly what I want to hear. Nail what they did with the multimode 3320, which, to me is more interesting than the 3320 as a 24db/Oct low pass, and nail the interesting aspects of the DCOs and it's a win.

Honestly, I really don't get all of this fascination with exact emulations of polys when the vast majority of them have remarkably similar architectures with the major differences coming from their components.

+1. Glad to hear that Urs maintains what we talked about earlier. I also prefer the module approach in DIVA than exat emulations (but just because I already have so many that I becoming a little tired, and also because I share your feelings about the old synths having so similar architectures that it becomes a little boring).

Of course, back in those days, basically noone could dream of having them all, like we can with the emulations.

Also, we weren't able to fill in the gaps with software. The context really does matter. Having more than one synth back then was a plus in a number of ways, even if it had a similar architecture and voicing. For one, it was one of the few ways to get multitimbrality. Multitrack recording was expensive and not really a good solution so the the midi studio was a genuinely useful way to work.

Talking about the 3320 though, I do think that the 12db/Oct filter mode, which was a completely different filter, sounded good. Again, context, that wasn't enough in those days for me to keep the behemoth in my small home studio.

The Electric Druid has a nice discussion of 3320 designs.

http://electricdruid.net/cem3320-filter-designs/

I have a few lying around, maybe I'll build a Synthex filter for my modular.

[egbert101]

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[Urs]

The Sonicprojects OP-X PRO-II actually does some really nice Synthex patches, including the JMJ Harp. It doesn't have the chorus though.

Sorry, the laser harp sound can't be convincingly done with that architecture

[Urs]

Talking about the 3320 though, I do think that the 12db/Oct filter mode, which was a completely different filter, sounded good. Again, context, that wasn't enough in those days for me to keep the behemoth in my small home studio.

You mean the State Variable configuration as used in the OB-Xa?

The Synthex modes are interesting IMHO because for whatever reason they didn't use the full feedback path for the HP/BP modes. So they sound very different from, say, other multimode filters or those emulations.

[ghettosynth]

Talking about the 3320 though, I do think that the 12db/Oct filter mode, which was a completely different filter, sounded good. Again, context, that wasn't enough in those days for me to keep the behemoth in my small home studio.

You mean the State Variable configuration as used in the OB-Xa?

Yes, didn't I mention the OBXA? Maybe not, I meant to. Anyway, as I'm sure you know, it used two 3320's, one in a state variable configuration that was closer to the Oberheim filter and one that was essentially the data sheet reference design for a four pole lowpass.

The Synthex modes are interesting IMHO because for whatever reason they didn't use the full feedback path for the HP/BP modes. So they sound very different from, say, other multimode filters or those emulations.

Cool, I've been meaning to get back to my hardware modular for a while. I think that I will make that filter. I've never really studied it (from a hardware point of view) much in depth. I just liked the sound of it in the various modes. Diva needs a filter option like that.

[Andrei Marchenko]

Folks, listen, i have Bazille and FM8 and still can't decide which one i should sell Maybe some one can write his thoughts about this two compare each other? What i don't like in Bazille - sound. Just can't mix it in my tunes. From FM8 i don't like UI/UX experience, but like it in Bazille.

[wagtunes]

Folks, listen, i have Bazille and FM8 and still can't decide which one i should sell Maybe some one can write his thoughts about this two compare each other? What i don't like in Bazille - sound. Just can't mix it in my tunes. From FM8 i don't like UI/UX experience, but like it in Bazille.

If you don't like either synth, for whatever reason, sell them both, especially if you're not using them.

[Andrei Marchenko]

It's nice idea of course. I use them but not often... Reaktor is a big part of my production nowadays and in my head always: "What if i will use it more often?!". That's why i asked some advice.

[wagtunes]

It's nice idea of course. I use them but not often... Reaktor is a big part of my production nowadays and in my head always: "What if i will use it more often?!". That's why i asked some advice.

If you use them, keep them. No offense, but my personal opinion of either synth (I also own them both) is meaningless to you. What does it matter how I feel about them? It's how YOU feel about them. If you feel having them around is a waste because of infrequent use and dislike of certain aspects of the synths, sell them. If you feel that by selling them you'll have a day where you want to use them for something but won't have them and that will bother you, then keep them.

I mean those are your two choices. The only synth I wish I could sell is Cycle because it doesn't work. But everything else I have, no matter how seldom I use it, I keep because I never know how I'll feel one day about wanting to pick it up and use it for something. This way, I'm never annoyed that I had something, could have used it, but I sold it so now I can't use it.

But that's just me and is totally meaningless when it comes to your own feelings.

Unfortunately, nobody can say any kind of magic words that are going to make you say to yourself "Thank you, that's exactly what I'm going to do."

This is your decision to make alone.

My advice? Make a decision that you can live with and just do it.

[Andrei Marchenko]

Hm.. But in terms of FM synthesis what your opinion? Apples and oranges?

[wagtunes]

Hm.. But in terms of FM synthesis what your opinion? Apples and oranges?

The two synths have as much in common with each other as an apple and a peach. They're both fruits but hardly taste the same.

[brainzistor]

Hm.. But in terms of FM synthesis what your opinion? Apples and oranges?

Listen, there is a 50% discount on Image-Line's products until 31st December currently and I would suggest you to buy Sytrus.
VSTi version doesn't have vectorial GUI yet, FL Studio's version has which means you can stretch it across the screen and VSTi version will receive this upgrade too.
I would suggest you to dump FM8 and replace it with Sytrus.
Sytrus has a future because it's Image-Line's flagship synth, while NI practically abandoned FM8.
Second, Sytrus is not just a FM synth, it can do subtractive, additive and PM synthesis too
and on top of that it has drawable envelopes which makes it even better than FM8 because it's not linear.

Maybe you'll have to suffer for a few months with it's old GUI until it gets upgraded, but I think it's TOTALLY worth it.

Dump FM8, sell it to some sucker, buy Sytrus, keep Bazille.

[Andrei Marchenko]

Unfortunately i'm on MAC OS, mate.

[brainzistor]

Unfortunately i'm on MAC OS, mate.

Well....

[dune_rave]

hm , I have sytrus also, but never seen that anyone claimed its Imageline flagship synth... currently is their most expensive synth if i'm correct...
Anyway, Sytrus with its current gui is worse than FM8, and these 2 synths quite differs.
For me, the FM8 sound is better, but will install sytrus vsti again when it receives scalable gui.