Bazille - most misunderstood synth?

[dune_rave]

+ one thing:
as stated here : viewtopic.php?f=1&t=467667
Sytrus is scalable in the FL version, but not in vsti version

[Coockie1176ln]

Bazille - most misunderstood synth?
What is a misunderstood synth?

[egbert101]

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[Urs]

Sorry, but it doesn't sound like a Synthex... check this out...



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[fmr]

here is the sound of the original in all its glory:

[egbert101]

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[egbert101]

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[ghettosynth]

Folks, listen, i have Bazille and FM8 and still can't decide which one i should sell Maybe some one can write his thoughts about this two compare each other? What i don't like in Bazille - sound. Just can't mix it in my tunes. From FM8 i don't like UI/UX experience, but like it in Bazille.

FM8 is the superior classic FM synth in the sense that it has six operators and complex envelopes. I prefer it for creating classic sorts of FM sounds like electric pianos. In this sense, Bazille often feels like a crude two operator FM synth.

Bazille has far and away the most character of the two. While filters are not strictly necessary for an FM synth, I find them really helpful and FM8's filter is pretty crap TBH. It's ok for rolling of the harshness which is often all that you really need, but Bazille's filters are the real deal.

But, Bazille is really a monster. There's just no comparison between Bazille and FM8 in terms of routing complexity and interest. FM8 doesn't really have anything that comes close to the interest and complexity of Bazille's oscillators. For really interesting textures and tones, Bazille's unique PD features and modularity just can't be matched by FM8. Bazille also does percussion well, but, I still feel that it would be better with complex envelopes.

They are both really quite subtle in terms of complexity, but in very different ways. If you don't program FM and largely just use it for presets, then I think that Dexed could replace FM8 for many people, not me, but YMMV. There's nothing that really compares to Bazille in the same way.

[Lotuzia]

The Sonicprojects OP-X PRO-II actually does some really nice Synthex patches, including the JMJ Harp. It doesn't have the chorus though.

Sorry, the laser harp sound can't be convincingly done with that architecture

No really it can. It makes XILS version a joke in comparison (sorry XILS). The presets are simply amazing in this synth. One of the best emulations out there.

When we made the Paris sessions, with a real Synthex, a Laser Harp, and what would become the first incarnation of the Syn'X, my friend Paul Wiffen was also there during a few days.

Paul ? Well, Paul is 'just' THE guy who 1/ Made most of the patches of the original Synthex. 2/ Introduced it to JMJ, Stevie Wonder, Keith Emmerson, and a lot of other music legends.

While working at the recreation of some Synthex patches, and taking a lot of measures, we had some fun doing Blind tests, where I would play a Syn'X patch and ask Paul if it was the Synthex, or the Syn'X. Then I would alternate playing the SYnthex and the SYn'X. And we were in most cases unable to decide wich was what.

As for JMJ for example, he simply !bought! the Syn'X ( And also the Xils EMS recreations). So that, I'm inclined to trust Paul, JMJ etc ears better than some other ears. Besides that, recreating a whole synth is so much more than recreating 'a filter', that I won't comment on this. I'm sure some people will do their best to do this, still, it will be no more than maybe 5% of the real thing

Syn'X II, in 2015, also brought another major innovation with it's exclusive 0df Pwm/SYnc algorythm. ( Solving a problem similar to odf filters, but related to another aspect of analog topology preservation, and ... this one is precisely needed for the Laser Harp sound)

If someone want a real Synthex emulation, just try the Syn'X, and decide by yourself : It's, afaik, the only, and best_seen_as_authentic, one.

[AnX]

I thought this thread was about Bazille. Looks like the usual spambots are taking over

[Lotuzia]

If only Bazille was mentioned there would be no need to talk about other synthesizers.

When however, some posters explicitly, or less explicitly but clearly enough, includin some people representing some companies, mention some other specific synthesizers than the one the thread is about, there is what we call in France 'a right to answer'.

That's a side effect of something called 'democracy'. Also a side effect from some democratic forum rules. If you can't understand that, well, just, live with it.

Also, it's not like if some developpers never interfere in threads that have nothing to do with them ... But ehehe you weren't there to play the Big Redemptor . Some people have specific powers to be always there where the shouldn't, and never there when they sould or could be. Seems it's your case.

[ghettosynth]

Besides that, recreating a whole synth is so much more than recreating 'a filter', that I won't comment on this. I'm sure some people will do their best to do this, still, it will be no more than maybe 5% of the real thing

No doubt that there's more to recreating a synth than recreating a filter, but your 5% number is way off base and I suspect that you have no basis for it. The importance of filter accuracy depends on a number of factors, however, for VA type synths it is far more a determinant of the character of a synth than you seem to be giving it credit for.

[fluffy_little_something]

Sorry, but it doesn't sound like a Synthex... check this out...



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OT: I wanted to buy the 5-octave version of that Korg controller, but now that I see how tiny the keys are compared to the full-sized Synthex ones, I am no longer sure

[Lotuzia]

Would you agree on 10% then ? or maybe 15% ? Or even 25% ( quite big for a single module out of many other modules, but, honnestly, I could do with it, as anyhow, I think that obviously, the importance given to this or that module will vary according to different users)

Still : 75% missing. If you get my point. (or 90, or 85, or even 60)

[AnX]

The filter alone is a massive part of any synth. Its prob the biggest part to shaping the overall sound.