KVR Audio

hibidy · Post by **hibidy** » Sat Nov 23, 2013 1:52 am

Well, I can TOTALLY understand onward and upward! I mean, I really don't expect ST3 for free

donato · Post by **donato** » Sat Nov 23, 2013 2:15 am

hibidy wrote:Well, I can TOTALLY understand onward and upward! I mean, I really don't expect ST3 for free

I don't think anyone was asking for a free upgrade. Just a free player version so people can use their libraries as 64 bit. Again, if you go back to posts from the last couple years, buyers from all those group buys were continually led to believe that there would be a free player.

BBFG# · Post by **BBFG#** » Sat Nov 23, 2013 2:49 am

Those SynthEdit companies that say going 64b is just not worth it and continue to sell their 32b versions regardless should be held accountable too? Had to give up completely on M-RGT and even put HG Fortune on suspect for that (at least HGF says they're 'exploring' a 64b option). But to be hoenst, I still watch them and hope they meet the new 64b era at some point.

A free 64b player doesn't even sound like good marketing strategy at this point. Given the current environment, I kind of have to agree with IKM's POV there. (At least, for now.)

yevster · Post by **yevster** » Sat Nov 23, 2013 2:51 am

The explanation for not bringing sounds people have already paid for into the 64-bit age sounds like a load of malarkey. Once the ST3 engine is developed, the cost of making a locked down version that does nothing but load ST2 patches is hardly prohibitive to any reasonably competent developer.

donato · Post by **donato** » Sat Nov 23, 2013 3:10 am

yevster wrote:The explanation for not bringing sounds people have already paid for into the 64-bit age sounds like a load of malarkey. Once the ST3 engine is developed, the cost of making a locked down version that does nothing but load ST2 patches is hardly prohibitive to any reasonably competent developer.

EXACTLY!!!

BBFG# · Post by **BBFG#** » Sat Nov 23, 2013 3:16 am

Well, some companies never offered a free version in the first place. Maybe its time IKM does what other companies do and stop offering it completely too.

yevster · Post by **yevster** » Sat Nov 23, 2013 4:32 am

BBFG# wrote:Well, some companies never offered a free version in the first place. Maybe its time IKM does what other companies do and stop offering it completely too.

In this case, we have to distinguish between soundware companies and sampler companies. Yes, steinberg doesn't offer a free version of Halion, but their instruments can run on their own on all platforms. There's no free version of MachFive, but UVI maintains a platform for the soundware they sell and it too is broadly accessible,

The only other company that tried to charge upgrade fees for 64-bit compatibility AFAIK is Wusik, and they have certainly deserved their toilet-worthy market share.

Nobody's asking for a free gift. People merely expect to be able to use the soundware they buy right now. We're not taking abandoned product HyperSonic. This is stuff being sold to customers right now that cannot run on modern platforms.

It's a really scummy thing IK is doing.

BBFG# · Post by **BBFG#** » Sat Nov 23, 2013 4:48 am

yevster wrote: Nobody's asking for a free gift. People merely expect to be able to use the soundware they buy right now. We're not taking abandoned product HyperSonic. This is stuff being sold to customers right now that cannot run on modern platforms.

Not sure I understand, are you saying you can't run the software you bought because it depends on something which hasn't been released?

They have repeatedly said that ST3 will run old libraries.

Or are you saying you want to buy new ST3 sounds to run on ST2?
Since they say they aren't releasing a free ST3, why would anyone buy a sound set for it if they had no intent on buying the engine?

Or is it that you are using mach5 and halion sets on other sample players?
Do they work on Kontakt? Not even all Kontakt libraries work on the free player, in fact more of them don't than do.

Not trying to fan any flame but I'm just not catching your meaning completely.

yevster · Post by **yevster** » Sat Nov 23, 2013 5:11 am

The meaning is, when you buy Miroslav or any Sampletank-based product, nowhere is there a disclaimer that the present product will not work on the current versions of two most-popular DAWs. Had IK been merely selling sounds for a third-party platform, they'd have no responsibility over the platform. Then, they'd have to post a big fat disclaimer that a separate purchase is required to use the sounds.

Instead, IK is selling products that require an additional purchase to be used on the two most popular DAWs without explicitly warning customers of this. This is especially shameful given that group buys target primarily new customers. And, there's no return policy.

That's why I'm pissed. Every other major soundware product that was sold with its own playback platform came with free 64-bit updates. NI even released a 64-bit update for kontakt 3 just prior to releasing Kontakt 4. Only IK's soundware is locked into its own proprietary format that requires a paid update to use on modern DAWs.

hibidy · Post by **hibidy** » Sat Nov 23, 2013 5:33 am

One thing that always frustrates me about these threads is that there are so many "schools" of what should/shouldn't be, there is not "right" or "wrong"

To me it seems simple. Even if something was implied (let alone any promises being made) then there is a reasonable belief that that should happen.

I can't make heads or tails (like many kvr threads) as to what happened. In the end the thread will probably just get locked.

BBFG# · Post by **BBFG#** » Sat Nov 23, 2013 5:57 am

Not sure what the two most popular DAWs you're refferring to are.
But if it works good on most DAWs wouldn't that imply that the issue is with those DAWs? I would think it would make it that much more important to get the upgrade when it comes. But are those DAW companies doing anything to insure you being able to use any legacy product with their product? (I know many are not and could care less).

(Btw, along the same lines, I have had stability issues with my HG Fortune VSTIs and I know if they ever go 64b, I'll have to rebuy whatever they develop then).

BBFG# · Post by **BBFG#** » Sat Nov 23, 2013 6:01 am

hibidy wrote:One thing that always frustrates me about these threads is that there are so many "schools" of what should/shouldn't be, there is not "right" or "wrong"

To me it seems simple. Even if something was implied (let alone any promises being made) then there is a reasonable belief that that should happen.

I can't make heads or tails (like many kvr threads) as to what happened. In the end the thread will probably just get locked.

+1 or it will fade away in 38 days...

hibidy · Post by **hibidy** » Sat Nov 23, 2013 6:08 am

Ah ha! Now I understand what the number 39 means

However, when it gets to 23 days.......will there be a paradox??????????

dsan@mail.com · Post by **dsan@mail.com** » Sat Nov 23, 2013 5:31 pm

hibidy wrote:Ah ha! Now I understand what the number 39 means

However, when it gets to 23 days.......will there be a paradox??????????

Now you've lost me hibidy!

For all I know it could be a Sonovox.

I've got mixed emotions about the coming of ST3.

ST2 was my first and I really enjoy using it; when I can that is. Since moving to the the 64 bit world it is one of the few VST's I can't use in my most often used DAW's; Live 9 and S1, due to the restrictions of those programs (horse of another color, I know.)

I own several, no make that many, high end VST's, and ST2 is the ONLY one I may have to pay for to be able to use in the 64 bit world. All the others have provided a 64 bit vst and more, gave me, YES, GAVE ME, both 32 and 64 bit plugs.

I look at it this way; do I like this? NO.
Do I have to accept that this is the way it is? YES.
Do I HAVE to buy IK products in the future? Hell NO. (But, I may want to.)

I sort of agree with hibidy but feel the wrong is to get myself all worked up about something I cannot control. I feel it is what it is and will either spend my money with IK or elsewhere if I just can't get along with the status quo.

Either way I will be spending my money cause I can't take it with me.

Happy Musiking!
dsan

gamecat666 · Post by **gamecat666** » Sat Nov 23, 2013 7:15 pm

BBFG# wrote:Not sure what the two most popular DAWs you're refferring to are.

Logic Pro X is one of them. it has no 32 bit support.

Countdown to Sample Tank 3, with 64 bit support