Swayed v1.0.3 - available now!

[glokraw]

There may be 20 or so kvr people whose comments I will stop and read, regardless of the topic.
Evil Dragon is consistent, and offers valuable knowledge, 'and more', as befitting someone who may be an insider to many sources of content far beyond my reach

[ffx]

Who are you, Goebbels himself? You think if you spam the forums everything you say is true!?

However, I won't buy it, simply because this person "Evil Dragon" is listed in the credits.

[glokraw]

The more people from the 'Surge Team' that are listed in credits for a synth that sounds good, looks good, and works in my less-than-standard setup, the more likely I am to make a purchase. Trying sounds from the all-the-web sysex collection, there is a great range of enjoyable and useful sounds, and a very attractive interface to use them

[sonidomolino]

great to finally see this, long, long, time coming. for some reason, recalling a symphonic piece created by Tod Machover / MIT Media Lab that used something like 11 or 12 TG-77s for the performance... (ya, maybe a few decades too late for that.)

nice job , appreciating the constructive bits of this thread, you know who you are, making the time to dig in deeper.

[MCMorrise]

Maybe there could be some community effort in attempting to recreate the samples of SY99?

Yes please. Would love to help make this happen. Plus I want to buy SW99ED (and SWFX-900) and this is a stop on that roadmap. C'mon, Sheaf, you know you want to …

I guess the main issue with that idea is that it's difficult to provide provenance of how the sample was created (or worse, stolen from). So I would understand sheaf's reluctance to go that route.

If provenance of samples is an issue, require every contributor to submit some kind of proof of work, video footage, etc. Nobody lazy enough to rip a sample from somewhere they oughtn't is going to be driven enough to forge a behind-the-scenes of the "recording" process, right?

[MCMorrise]

If you wish to discuss Swayed, please continue here. If you wish you discuss legal issues surrounding the use of of ROMs please do it in a different topic.

Oh, sad I missed the drama. This is my reward for taking a fortnight's break from the thread …

Wherever this bizarre "EvilDragon" character is involved, there's a mess

Counterpoint, my dear fraggington:



What's bizarre, beloved fragsworth, is failing to grasp that EvilDragon has his hands in so many projects because he is a very competent music technologist. I'm sure we'd all love to see a music product to which you've made major dev contributions, since you're clearly better.

[cslevine]

and... maybe, after, having the samples of the smal SY22 that was a minor synth.
Minor synth... But some musics made with it. Sometime... often : the whishes for emulation is not for the instrument itself, but for the compos.

[IvyBirds]

and... maybe, after, having the samples of the smal SY22 that was a minor synth.
Minor synth... But some musics made with it. Sometime... often : the whishes for emulation is not for the instrument itself, but for the compos.

Swayed can mimic the SY22 quite well. Each voice can have four elements just like in the SY22 and have two of them AWM (samples) and two of them 2op FM

You can then use the SY77 looped volume envelopes to cross fade between each element to simulate the vector sequencing or assign a CC to each one and control with an MIDI Joystick or touch pad or even a sequencer

The looping envelopes can be 30+ seconds long for slowly evolving sounds

Of course the individual elements in SWAYED can do way more powerful things than SY22 could as each element can do 6op FM with multiple waveforms

[tumface]

Yes, sample import will come in the future. The way I set things up doesn't allow for parameters to be controlled in real-time. I tried to stick to the way the hardware works. All parameter values are discrete (levels from 0 to 127, instead of running smoothly from -80dB to 0dB), so unfortunately I can't expose them for automation. Only the ones you can influence with the controller section.

Discrete values for automation should work fine. It's supported by the plugin APIs. Chipsynth OPS7 does this for the DX7 0-99 parameters and it works great.

[Artie Fichelle]

I did import some SY77 presets from the Internet. Most presets are not good. Probably was to difficult to program with the SY77 Gui. So I start to program myself. But the future avility to import samples will be a game changer.

[sheaf]

Yes, sample import will come in the future. The way I set things up doesn't allow for parameters to be controlled in real-time. I tried to stick to the way the hardware works. All parameter values are discrete (levels from 0 to 127, instead of running smoothly from -80dB to 0dB), so unfortunately I can't expose them for automation. Only the ones you can influence with the controller section.

Discrete values for automation should work fine. It's supported by the plugin APIs. Chipsynth OPS7 does this for the DX7 0-99 parameters and it works great.

I'll see what I have to do to make this work. I guess it's actually not really different from using the modwheel, since that also uses values from 0 to 127.

I want to finish up custom sample import first though. I've made a lot of progress in the past couple of weeks. As discussed in the previous thread I'm making a custom card editor first, as that would be the most effective for creating reusable collections of samples. Later I could add direct SF2/SFZ import in the plugin itself without going through card creation, if there's demand for it.

Currently I have a basic card editor with SF2, WAV and FLAC import working. Just need to improve the GUI, handle some edge cases correctly, and make sure you can hot reload updated sample cards in the plugin so there's little friction. Eventually I'll support the other formats that were requested too.

[Artie Fichelle]

I think this is the right way to do it.You can add other features later, so the import does never break. What I wish in future is the possibility of panning each operator individually. This would mean, that we could make presets, that with 2 operators, one to the left and one to the right panned, differ only a few Hertz. The effect is binaural sounds.

[bftucker]

Glad to see this thread “back on the rails.” It has been a real pleasure (for the most part) reading about Swayed’s remarkable development in the two threads dedicated to it.

[tumface]

I'll see what I have to do to make this work. I guess it's actually not really different from using the modwheel, since that also uses values from 0 to 127.

I want to finish up custom sample import first though.

Yeah! I agree that's a good priority

[imperfectdrummer]

Congrats on this. I'm never active on these forums, but I had to post that I bought and refurbished an SY77 last year and then had to sell it as I needed the cash. I miss it. I'm a drummer who loves keyboards (mostly repairing and just enjoying them a while and then selling them). But I really missed playing with the SY77. I took the plunge and bought SWAYED. The first thing I did was figure out how to load my old, saved sound set into it. Now, I don't have the physical SY77 to compare it to, but it sounded close enough to me that I was just smiling as I went through my patches.

I look forward to the stuff you're working on for this. One thing I missed was the Mutli function, only because I had built some instruments and didn't have a way to pull back that data. But, I can easily stack multiple copies of Swayed in Logic and stack them that way. I may just open them in SY Manager and see if I can just look at which patches I had stacked (it's been a while since I used it).

Overall though, I was happy to support this product, and I can use it in the instrumental/sci-fi album I've been working on for a few years. Maybe one day I'll actually release the thing lol.