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Elektronisch · Post by **Elektronisch** » Thu Jul 13, 2017 1:22 pm

Urs wrote:Ok then. Let's say we need six more months to make a Rev 2 emulation. Gotta factor that into the price and everything. Makes me think, it's still not worth it. Much rather spend the time on other things.

I think its definatly not worth it, RePro 5 is great as it is

Elektronisch · Post by **Elektronisch** » Thu Jul 13, 2017 1:23 pm

EvilDragon wrote:
Elektronisch wrote:I also thought its pro 5 emu ok so its basicly 8 voice RePro 1.
No, it IS a Pro-5 emulation, just a rev3, not rev2 or rev1, which use SSM chips instead of CEM.

Gotcha!

Elektronisch · Post by **Elektronisch** » Thu Jul 13, 2017 1:24 pm

Urs wrote:
Elektronisch wrote:I also thought its pro 5 emu ok so its basicly 8 voice RePro 1.
Those two things are not mutually exclusive...?

Hmm, to tell you the truth i dont understand the question, even with the glossary. Sorry my skills in english arent the best

simmo75 · Post by **simmo75** » Thu Jul 13, 2017 1:27 pm

Elektronisch wrote:
Urs wrote:Ok then. Let's say we need six more months to make a Rev 2 emulation. Gotta factor that into the price and everything. Makes me think, it's still not worth it. Much rather spend the time on other things.
I think its definatly not worth it, RePro 5 is great as it is

Is Repro 5 out now then?

EvilDragon · Post by **EvilDragon** » Thu Jul 13, 2017 2:02 pm

Urs wrote:Ok then. Let's say we need six more months to make a Rev 2 emulation. Gotta factor that into the price and everything. Makes me think, it's still not worth it. Much rather spend the time on other things.

I'm saying I would be REALLY HAPPY if rev 2 mode comes IN AN UPDATE, even if it takes a year or so after Repro-5 release. But my point is - it should definitely be there, it should happen.

el-bo (formerly ebow) · Thu Jul 13, 2017 2:09 pm

EvilDragon wrote:
Urs wrote:Ok then. Let's say we need six more months to make a Rev 2 emulation. Gotta factor that into the price and everything. Makes me think, it's still not worth it. Much rather spend the time on other things.
I'm saying I would be REALLY HAPPY if rev 2 mode comes IN AN UPDATE, even if it takes a year or so after Repro-5 release. But my point is - it should definitely be there, it should happen.

ghettosynth · Post by **ghettosynth** » Thu Jul 13, 2017 3:13 pm

Urs wrote:
ghettosynth wrote:it's in at least five vintage synths that I'm aware of, most well regarded.
Hmmm, P-5R2 and Cat SRM are the only ones I know which have been produced in numbers *and* are highly regarded... know more?

Well, technically, two aren't really full on synths and one was modular. The "produced in numbers" property is a killer though, LOL! That's going to be an issue with quite a few designs from that era.

The RSF Kobol made use of the 2040 as did the Digisound 80 Modular. The Steiner Parker EVI and the Crumar Performer 2 also used the 2040 AFAIK.

Whether it's worth it or not to you is a question that only you can answer, however, whether it made for a better sounding Prophet 5 is generally accepted. There was a really excellent comparison video at one point, between revs specifically. It's hard to say how much might have been other aspects of the Rev 1/2 design, but most people attribute the difference to the 2040 based filter. Personally, I don't care all that much about whether you implement a full rev 1/2 emulation, if it's not clear, I'm absolutely not a purist about emulations. I would like to hear your take on the Cat SRM 2040 filter and I haven't looked at schematics to see how different that is from the P5 Rev 1/2 filter. My Cat SRM is absolutely my favorite synth and so I'd love to see a model of that filter either in a standalone synth or in Diva.

As far as "built in numbers" though, I think that you might be underselling the community's perception. For example, the Steiner Parker Synthacon filter wasn't really built in numbers either and was fairly highly regarded as an interesting filter by the DIY community. It's now available in a commercial synth, of course, but AFAIK, it was very rare outside of DIY builds before the Brutes came out. It would be perfect for ACE (hint). BTW: I'm talking largely about the DIY community, not the perception at large which is much more colored by other biases.

The SSM2040 has been the subject of a lot of attention from a lot of talented builders. I'd be interested in your take on what's similar different across the original builds and emulations.

A quick look at the schematics reveals what one might expect TBH. Dave Smith didn't stray far from the reference design although it appears at first glance that each design uses slightly different gain in the resonance feedback. The RSF doesn't use an op-amp in the feedback and, of course, the SRM saves some money by not implementing voltage controlled Q. Beyond that though, there's more similarity to the reference designs than there are differences. Don't quote me on all of the details though, it was just a cursory glance.

pdxindy · Post by **pdxindy** » Thu Jul 13, 2017 4:34 pm

EvilDragon wrote:
Urs wrote:Ok then. Let's say we need six more months to make a Rev 2 emulation. Gotta factor that into the price and everything. Makes me think, it's still not worth it. Much rather spend the time on other things.
I'm saying I would be REALLY HAPPY if rev 2 mode comes IN AN UPDATE, even if it takes a year or so after Repro-5 release. But my point is - it should definitely be there, it should happen.

Yes, after Zebra 3 is out, then they could do a paid upgrade called RePro-5 Rev 2

mooneh · Post by **mooneh** » Thu Jul 13, 2017 5:07 pm

EvilDragon wrote:
Urs wrote:Ok then. Let's say we need six more months to make a Rev 2 emulation. Gotta factor that into the price and everything. Makes me think, it's still not worth it. Much rather spend the time on other things.
I'm saying I would be REALLY HAPPY if rev 2 mode comes IN AN UPDATE, even if it takes a year or so after Repro-5 release. But my point is - it should definitely be there, it should happen.

I definitely understand he don't want to do it, not the most inspiring thing to do I can imagine. I have always heard the rev 2 is the nicest sounding even though both are great. Some could be hype but I don't think that's completely true. The Motm 440 is probably the nicest filter I have used which is similar I think. (Minimoog probably has my favourite filter when thinking about it)

mholloway · Post by **mholloway** » Thu Jul 13, 2017 5:12 pm

I see it's business as usual in this insane asylum...

dev:
"Here guys, we decided to do a Prophet 5 emulation after all, enjoy..."

users:
"BUT WHAT ABOUT A REV 2 PROPHET 5 YOU MONSTER!"

mooneh · Post by **mooneh** » Thu Jul 13, 2017 5:21 pm

I'm super excited about the REV 3 and I'm never excited about software, that's not the point here.

egbert · Post by **egbert** » Thu Jul 13, 2017 6:05 pm

mholloway wrote:I see it's business as usual in this insane asylum...

dev:
"Here guys, we decided to do a Prophet 5 emulation after all, enjoy..."

users:
"BUT WHAT ABOUT A REV 2 PROPHET 5 YOU MONSTER!"

Didn't you watch Little Britain?

david.beholder · Post by **david.beholder** » Thu Jul 13, 2017 6:25 pm

WE NEED MORE MESSAGES LIKE:

I've heard that some guy said that other guy told him that rev X is superior to rev Y. Please implement rev X or else.

PLEASE ADD MORE MESSAGES LIKE THIS.

egbert · Post by **egbert** » Thu Jul 13, 2017 6:31 pm

david.beholder wrote:WE NEED MORE MESSAGES LIKE:

I've heard that some guy said that other guy told him that rev X is superior to rev Y. Please implement rev X or else.

PLEASE ADD MORE MESSAGES LIKE THIS.

"I want that one!"

starla* · Post by starla* » Thu Jul 13, 2017 10:09 pm

david.beholder wrote:WE NEED MORE MESSAGES LIKE:

I've heard that some guy said that other guy told him that rev X is superior to rev Y. Please implement rev X or else.

PLEASE ADD MORE MESSAGES LIKE THIS.

Not the u-he army again

I've done plenty of research between these two since I was going to buy one years ago.