Gforce Software, something new is on its way...

[duncanparsons]

But JUCE is also quite expensive, so you need to be very certain of your returns to use it.

Smaller players often use iPlug.

[zvenx]

License

The core JUCE modules (juce_audio_basics, juce_audio_devices, juce_blocks_basics, juce_core and juce_events) are permissively licensed under the terms of the ISC license. Other modules are covered by a GPL/Commercial license.

There are multiple commercial licensing tiers for JUCE, with different terms for each:

JUCE Personal (developers or startup businesses with revenue under 50K USD) - free
JUCE Indie (small businesses with revenue under 500K USD) - $40/month
JUCE Pro (no revenue limit) - $130/month
JUCE Educational (no revenue limit) - free for bona fide educational institutes



https://github.com/juce-framework/JUCE

[duncanparsons]

Yep, in the short term it's a bunch of overheads we can't easily add in. The products in dev are already using internal bodges, sorry, frameworks, and the costs to convert get prohibitive after a while..

Still toys still get finished and at some point you'll find out if there was something to the central tenet of this thread..!

[chk071]

You make it sound as if using JUCE was a bad thing.

Not at all. I'm just saying that, without JUCE (as some developers are doing, I think Gforce as well), it would even be a lot more work.

Basically, my point is that the guy was plain wrong in slagging off developers for not working fast enough. If that's your opinion as a customer, I would always recommend to look into developing yourself, and see what a tedious and difficult work that is. Then maybe you won't come off as so ignorant, when you call developers lazy and what not.

[vurt]

Still toys still get finished and at some point you'll find out if there was something to the central tenet of this thread..!

tell dave and jon (john?) i said hi

[vurt]

Oh well... banned. Guess I wasn't too wrong there then.

yup, sometimes
"obvious troll, is obvious"
is actually true

silly idea that there should be some length of time it should take.
its ready when its ready. like cake!

[gentleclockdivider]

At gearslutz recently a user said all plugins sounded the same because they were build using juce , he thought Juce was something like synthedit but with build in dsp modules only and that every developer had to make the best use of these modules

[trackbout]

Well to be fair, there are some basic DSP modules built into JUCE https://docs.juce.com/master/namespacedsp.html but they are 100% optional obviously.

Most developers don't touch those modules and just use JUCE to solve the boring problems. The DSP is exactly the type of code that most developers actually WANT to write themselves, that's where the value is added.

[rafa1981]

Smaller players often use iPlug.

Considering the feature set, maturity and degree of support/available it might easily mean being penny wise and pound fool. 40$ doesn't even buy a developer work hour and is the monthly cost of Juce for those selling under 500k$

Of course what I said was about new products. If you already have a codebase things get more complex.

[Aloysius]

Still toys still get finished and at some point you'll find out if there was something to the central tenet of this thread..!

tell dave and jon (john?) i said hi

hello sailor

[vurt]

Still toys still get finished and at some point you'll find out if there was something to the central tenet of this thread..!

tell dave and jon (john?) i said hi

hello sailor

im a spaceman. sorry.

my big helmet is the giveaway.

[gentleclockdivider]

Well to be fair, there are some basic DSP modules built into JUCE https://docs.juce.com/master/namespacedsp.html but they are 100% optional obviously.

Most developers don't touch those modules and just use JUCE to solve the boring problems. The DSP is exactly the type of code that most developers actually WANT to write themselves, that's where the value is added.

Yes ,I am aware of that

[trackbout]

Luckily what I wrote was not in a DM so it may yet do some good

[Buckster]

Hoping for a BF sale as I'd really like to buy two of their instruments fingers crossed

[duncanparsons]

Smaller players often use iPlug.

Considering the feature set, maturity and degree of support/available it might easily mean being penny wise and pound fool. 40$ doesn't even buy a developer work hour and is the monthly cost of Juce for those selling under 500k$

Of course what I said was about new products. If you already have a codebase things get more complex.

True enough. Sorry, I'm a bit tired and in need of a cup of tea