I am impervious to your bait kind sir.vurt wrote:its just talking in time to a groove, how hard can it be?advaya wrote: that rapping was easy.
Could someone please explain anti-loop snobbery?
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Joseph Cornell.Mac of BIOnighT wrote:And by the way, I never found collage particularly interesting eiher - if you know of anyone getting touched and moved by a collage as by a painting from 1600's, please let me know...
An idiot on Set Theory:
"In some cases there is an object called red that contains everything that is red. In much the same way a pot is a plate."
"In some cases there is an object called red that contains everything that is red. In much the same way a pot is a plate."
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vurt wrote:whiteanxiety wrote: When a person type "I hate loops" or "I hate this thing blah blah"
it doesn't neccessarily mean that he or she is REALLY feeling that emotion.
hate is a sacred thing and shouldnt be bandied about willy nilly.
lol okay tough guy, go on with your bad self. :p
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when did i say you were being hypocritical?advaya wrote:I asked a rather straight-forward (and neutral) question, to which he never did answer. (how is that hypocritical of me?)
And the only context I see here is that your post was initially prompted by his insinuation that rapping was easy.
you basically jumped on me because you're upset that others were poking fun at a genre of music you like in another thread.
i never said i like rap, in fact, most of it i don't like. and i don't like trance either. the difference is that i believe freestyle rapping is not easy to do *however* i believe that producing present day trance *is* easy to do.
so how does that make me hypocritical?
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it's "wid yo bad self" or someshit...whiteanxiety wrote:vurt wrote:whiteanxiety wrote: When a person type "I hate loops" or "I hate this thing blah blah"
it doesn't neccessarily mean that he or she is REALLY feeling that emotion.
hate is a sacred thing and shouldnt be bandied about willy nilly.
lol okay tough guy, go on with your bad self. :p
Eins zwei drei vier funf sechs sieben acht
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Ooh, good call.whyterabbyt wrote:Joseph Cornell.Mac of BIOnighT wrote:And by the way, I never found collage particularly interesting eiher - if you know of anyone getting touched and moved by a collage as by a painting from 1600's, please let me know...
Also, is it worth mentioning that a lot of the great renaissance painters didn't actually do all of their works themselves? IIRC it wasn't uncommon for people like Titian to have workshops full of apprentices to whom they'd farm out all the boring stuff like filling in the sky while they focussed on the overall composition and the really important bits like the central figures...
It's a rave, Lewis!
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check these rappers out. (*and yes I know vurt is bein sarcasticvurt wrote:its just talking in time to a groove, how hard can it be?advaya wrote: that rapping was easy.
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I was gonna put that but vurt is from the uk he won't get it. It's like telling me I'm a "bugger" I have no clue what the hell that means.dirty oscillators wrote:
it's "wid yo bad self" or someshit...
should I be like "yo blood, sup?" on kvr? You're crazy!!!!!
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I completely fail to see the argument of the detractors. Yes, I would agree that composing a song entirely out of say, a set of loops that have been designed to complement eachother -- something like a song deconstructed -- would be quite uncreative. Still not anathema, but not an imagination on fire, either.
However, as to the best of my knowledge that's not really how they are most commonly used, I'm not going to waste much time on these likely fictional song sets of samples.
So, onto how music with loops exercises not a whit of creativity. Using loops as building blocks to make a song, I think, still demands of you some sense of how melody, harmony, sound and rhythm work together. You've got to choose parts (loops) that work together, for a start, and in many genres with a decent amount of vertical content that's a skill in itself, so you're not let off the hook completely here. It's also worth bearing in mind that whenever you have a number of things operating together, a sum other than the parts becomes possible.
Now, in terms of progression -- arguably the most fundamental skill in traditional songwriting -- you're not let off the hook much at all. And progression in my view, is where the meat of it lies for most people (and here we make the greatest departure into subjectivity) and what separates a collection of individually pleasing segments into a rounded-out, loveable bit of song.
A more interesting debate than how they pile ignominy upon the odious employer is, for my time, how they affect the feel of a song. This applies to your own loops. For example, I'm forced to use loops in my stuff because I'm a shitty musician. I get that one take that works, fence out the strays and loop, loop, loop. Now that's what sucks about loops -- the life lost.
However, as to the best of my knowledge that's not really how they are most commonly used, I'm not going to waste much time on these likely fictional song sets of samples.
So, onto how music with loops exercises not a whit of creativity. Using loops as building blocks to make a song, I think, still demands of you some sense of how melody, harmony, sound and rhythm work together. You've got to choose parts (loops) that work together, for a start, and in many genres with a decent amount of vertical content that's a skill in itself, so you're not let off the hook completely here. It's also worth bearing in mind that whenever you have a number of things operating together, a sum other than the parts becomes possible.
Now, in terms of progression -- arguably the most fundamental skill in traditional songwriting -- you're not let off the hook much at all. And progression in my view, is where the meat of it lies for most people (and here we make the greatest departure into subjectivity) and what separates a collection of individually pleasing segments into a rounded-out, loveable bit of song.
A more interesting debate than how they pile ignominy upon the odious employer is, for my time, how they affect the feel of a song. This applies to your own loops. For example, I'm forced to use loops in my stuff because I'm a shitty musician. I get that one take that works, fence out the strays and loop, loop, loop. Now that's what sucks about loops -- the life lost.
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DWb wrote:Ooh, good call.whyterabbyt wrote:Joseph Cornell.Mac of BIOnighT wrote:And by the way, I never found collage particularly interesting eiher - if you know of anyone getting touched and moved by a collage as by a painting from 1600's, please let me know...
Also, is it worth mentioning that a lot of the great renaissance painters didn't actually do all of their works themselves? IIRC it wasn't uncommon for people like Titian to have workshops full of apprentices to whom they'd farm out all the boring stuff like filling in the sky while they focussed on the overall composition and the really important bits like the central figures...
i recently saw a 30 foot square collage, made from sweet wrappers from the 70s and 80s, all discontinued now, meant more to me than some naked bird in a clam shell or a minger who might be smiling, or not.
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LOLwhiteanxiety wrote:I was gonna put that but vurt is from the uk he won't get it. It's like telling me I'm a "bugger" I have no clue what the hell that means.dirty oscillators wrote:
it's "wid yo bad self" or someshit...
should I be like "yo blood, sup?" on kvr? You're crazy!!!!!
yes yes, communication over the internet is not the easiest thing to do!
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wazzup g!whiteanxiety wrote:
should I be like "yo blood, sup?" on kvr? You're crazy!!!!!
mebbes i am uk but we knowz the shizzle manizzle, whizzle.
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oh boy....
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wu ha!whiteanxiety wrote:check these rappers out. (*and yes I know vurt is bein sarcasticvurt wrote:its just talking in time to a groove, how hard can it be?advaya wrote: that rapping was easy.
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okay foo, sup bra-brah, you cookin cake? long as you swangin, them man can't touch me now, naw mean, blood?vurt wrote:wazzup g!whiteanxiety wrote:
should I be like "yo blood, sup?" on kvr? You're crazy!!!!!
mebbes i am uk but we knowz the shizzle manizzle, whizzle.
right outta east mow mow, swervin, sittin on 20's old skool.