Amplitube 4 is here!!!!! ......well almost.....

[Klinke1]

So, looks like 450 posts is about the time threads start over?

That has a reason.
(It is not clear)

[SJ_Digriz]

So, looks like 450 posts is about the time threads start over?

That has a reason.
(It is not clear)

It's been clarified about 50 times in the thread.

[Burillo]

to be fair, IK reps add to the confusion by referring to free amps as being "included" in Amplitube 4. they're not. they're just free amps that you get even if you don't own Amplitube 4. Amplitube 4 only includes 5 Marshalls and a new cab section (well, there's looper, FX loop and other stuff). that's it.

[SJ_Digriz]

to be fair, IK reps add to the confusion by referring to free amps as being "included" in Amplitube 4. they're not. they're just free amps that you get even if you don't own Amplitube 4. Amplitube 4 only includes 5 Marshalls and a new cab section (well, there's looper, FX loop and other stuff). that's it.

that isn't confusing to me. It says exactly what you get, plus it says you can use the AT3 stuff you already own. Pretty damn clear. People make it complicated because they are trying to figure out all the upgrade/crossgrade/discount loopholes they can find.

And again ... this was covered several times in the thread. I was just being funny (debatable I guess) because it's like groundhogs day if you've followed the topic.

[Peter - IK Multimedia]

This page, modified very early on based on the many questions received when we first announced AmpliTube 4 seems pretty clear: http://www.ikmultimedia.com/products/am ... 4cs-gearin

[Burillo]

i kinda wish IK did better job with JMP-1's UI. it looks like a click-fest to control.

[Klinke1]

AmpliTube 4 does not contain the gear from AmpliTube 3.

I did not know this. AT4 is all new gear? Will AT3 gear and presets play through AT4?

Yes and yes. Please visit http://www.ikmultimedia.com/amplitube4 for more information.

The point is: He asked if A4 it is all new gear.. and i think the answer "yes" is misleading because:
IK page: "A4 .. What's inside : 9 Amps"
<----i want to point out, that 4 of these 9 amps.. are exactly the same as in A3.

It says there are 5 new brit amps.. but he asked if all in A4 is new.

AmpliTube 4 does not contain the gear from AmpliTube 3.

Really? When you install A4.. will there be 4 old amps on your system?
I do think so...

[Burillo]

this is the confusion i was talking about.

Amplitube 4 can read Amplitube 3.x amps. which means it will be able to use the amps you got for free. but Amplitube 4, as a model pack, doesn't "include" them - they're there regardless of what you own.

so yes, you'll see some old amps even if you don't own anything else beside Amplitube 4, but those amps aren't part of Amplitube 4 - they're just free amps you get anyway, with free Amplitube 3 Custom Shop.

[DarkStar]

Maybe this will help. Extracted from the IK Multimedia web pages:

AT3 CS

• 9 Stompbox Models – Chorus, Flanger, Opto Tremolo, Delay, Wah Pedal, Diode Overdrive, Compressor, Graphic EQ, Volume Pedal (can be controlled by external controller)
  4 Amplifiers – American Tube Clean 1, American Tube Clean 2, British Tube Lead 1, Solid State Bass Preamp
  5 Cabinets – 4x10 Open Vintage, 1x12 Open Vintage, 2x12 Closed Vintage, 4x12 Closed Vintage 1, 1x15 Bass Vintage
  3 Microphones – Dynamic 57, Condenser 414, Condenser 87
  2 Rack Effects Units – Digital Delay & Parametric EQ
  Tuner – Fully chromatic

AT3
Those above plus loads more

AT4 CS
Same gear as in AT3 CS ?? (but the web page is not yet updated)

AT4

• 10 Stompbox Models – Acoustic Sim, Chorus, Flanger, Opto Tremolo, Delay, Wah Pedal, Diode Overdrive, Compressor, Graphic EQ, Volume Pedal (can be controlled by external controller)
  9 Amplifiers – 5 Classic British Amps: Brit 8000, Brit 9000, Red Pig, Brit Silver and Brit Valve Pre, plus American Tube Clean 1, American Tube Clean 2, British Tube Lead 1, Solid State Bass Preamp
  10 Cabinets – 4x12 Brit 8000, 4x12 Brit 9000, 4x12 Red Pig, 4x12 Brit Silver, 4x12 Brit 30, 4x10 Open Vintage, 1x12 Open Vintage, 2x12 Closed Vintage, 4x12 Closed Vintage 1, 1x15 Bass Vintage
  29 vintage and modern individual speaker models
  3 Microphones – Dynamic 57, Condenser 414, Condenser 87
  2 Rack Effects Units – Digital Delay & Parametric EQ
  2 Tuners – UltraTuner plus a Fully chromatic rack tuner

The "completely new" gear is in red, the other AT4 gear is in AT4 CS (or AT3 CS, but, of course can be mixed and matched with the new gear and AT4 functionality).

[Peter - IK Multimedia]

When you install AmpliTube 4 without having owned any other AmpliTube product or gear you get exactly what is listed above as included. I can't imagine how this could be made more clear. I don't see BERFAB back asking a followup question and I know he typically would if my answer didn't suffice so I assume he understands.

The pages also say, in multiple places, that your gear from AmpliTube 3 and Custom Shop will work.

Again, I don't see how this is confusing. Sorry if that sounds blunt but... I simply do not see how this is confusing in the least since it is spelled out very specifically, it seems more like a few people understand but are nitpicking at statements here and interpreting how other people might interpret my answers to themto be honest (again, I'm sure BERFAB understood or he'd ask for clarification - we go way back).

"AmpliTube 4 does not contain the gear from AmpliTube 3" - you know what I was saying, it does not contain what you get when you purchase AmpliTube 3. Again, I cannot see how that is unclear. Please visit the pages and read what is included.

[Burillo]

Peter, it's not confusing to you and me because we use Amplitube day in day out and we know our way around various expansions etc. it's just (at least that's my understanding) for a lot of people, Amplitube 3 == Amplitube Custom Shop. so when you say "no amps from Amplitube 3 are included", it is interpreted as "no Custom Shop amps will work in Amplitube 4". i know that's not what you meant, but i think this is what it comes down to. regarding the free amps, i already said how technically, they aren't "included" even though you end up getting them.

[BERFAB]

When you install AmpliTube 4 without having owned any other AmpliTube product or gear you get exactly what is listed above as included. I can't imagine how this could be made more clear. I don't see BERFAB back asking a followup question and I know he typically would if my answer didn't suffice so I assume he understands.

You are correct that I thought it was pretty clear, but I do understand Burillo's point. I've used Amplitube since v. 1, so I would imagine that it's easier for me to put all this info together.

Frankly, my original question was more about the surprise of not having the AT3 gear included in AT4, because typically prior versions are usually made part of the updated versions. Sampletank 3, for example, has the entire Sampletank 2.5 library included right out of the box. And, similar FX packages offered by IKM's competitors usually just add to the existing gear of prior versions.

But I also understand the relatively new Custom Shop model, in which IKM offers packages, or a la carte kit pieces, for sale at reasonable prices. So I assume if someone were to need the AT3 gear, they could get it at a reasonable price. Since I already own it, I'm not really all that concerned.

Notwithstanding Burillo's apt commentary, I do sense that there is some purposeful nitpicking going on by some. Knock it off. If you don't want it, don't get it. The AT line has a well-deserved reputation for quality. Those of us who are early adopters know this, and we trust that IKM won't screw it up with AT4. And on the off-chance that they DO screw it up, believe me, you WILL hear about it soon enough.

Cheers
-B

[incubus]

Notwithstanding Burillo's apt commentary, I do sense that there is some purposeful nitpicking going on by some. Knock it off. If you don't want it, don't get it. The AT line has a well-deserved reputation for quality. Those of us who are early adopters know this, and we trust that IKM won't screw it up with AT4. And on the off-chance that they DO screw it up, believe me, you WILL hear about it soon enough.

Cheers
-B

Now now, I think someone needs a hug!!!!!!!!

Not going through the long list of reasons why people are skeptical, but they are long. Not all people are not going to glowingly and gushingly spew on about IK. In fact, I used to be one of those.

Anyways, like I said before. It will be like every other product launch. Much hyperbole from either camp.

[trimph1]

This thread has become a Mobius strip.

[Burillo]

well i for one hasn't seen many skeptical people in this thread. a few confused ones - sure, skeptical? especially after recent Mesa release? not so much.