If you had to stick to one DAW, which one would it be?

[machinesworking]

To be fair, "rock" (as we know it) with traditional drummers keeping time hasn't been the most popular music genre for many, many years. Front and center and the most popular has long been hip-hop/pop/rap, at least in the US it has; in Europe it's long been EDM and pop/rock. These are mostly an electronic genre, so I guess it boils down to "producers" (FFS I hate that term) choosing to program boring and repetitive beats.

It's not unpopular either. Music in general is consumed at a higher rate now than decades past. Unfortunately it's also demonetized more than ever before. Pop/R&B and Hip Hop/Rap are super popular but there is still a large audience for metal, Indie, Rock, Jazz, Classical and odd electronic music of all sorts. IMO it's harder to create a "phenomena" now though, i.e. less chance of a Nirvana blowing up.

[Robmobius]

Nuendo

[BONES]

To be fair, "rock" (as we know it) with traditional drummers keeping time hasn't been the most popular music genre for many, many years.

Absolute bollocks. Go and look on Bandcamp or Spotify or anywhere else and see how much of the content is rock compared to every other genre. Then look at live shows - if you're a rock band, you can get gigs every week. If you're any other kind of band, you'll be lucky to get to play more than a few times a year and you'll have to work much harder to make it happen. Even at the top end of the business, there would be a dozen touring rock bands for every hip-hop or EDM artist who makes it down here.

When it comes to making music, I reckon Rock would rule there, too. It's much harder to get your shit together to record and release stuff but I'll bet there are more people playing (as in performing) rock music than any other genre, even if nobody ever gets to hear it.

[metamorphosis]

Tracktion - not because it's good - it crashes uncontrollably, frequently, and the newer versions lose 32-bit support which kills my fav plugins (don't get me started on bridges).
But because it's still the best workflow for me to get ideas down, and compose, rather than strictly record. The plugin interface is the best I've seen.

[BONES]

Yeah, I had a look at Waveform 12 today and I think Ima try it out. I was always a bit fascinated by it but never got comfortable with it. Now it looks a lot more like any other DAW, I might have less hassle adapting.

[machinesworking]

Logic rattles on, probably on the back of being so cheap these days, but I'll guarantee that its user base today is still half what it was when EMagic owned it.

Logic is clearly one of the top five DAWs. To think that it’s failing because Apple bought it is silly. IMO the acquisition is a wash, they lost most PC users but gained an even larger share of Mac users being branded as the de facto Mac DAW. It’s ubiquitous, what more do you want?

[musicproducerdee]

Logic rattles on, probably on the back of being so cheap these days, but I'll guarantee that its user base today is still half what it was when EMagic owned it.

Logic is clearly one of the top five DAWs. To think that it’s failing because Apple bought it is silly. IMO the acquisition is a wash, they lost most PC users but gained an even larger share of Mac users being branded as the de facto Mac DAW. It’s ubiquitous, what more do you want?

I'd argue that it's top 3 even, alongside Ableton Live, and a third DAW, that's a variable depending on which industry you're in. Also, Mac is just going to get more popular at this point, and so is Logic, since it's now available on iPad as well.

[BONES]

Why on Earth would Mac suddenly become more popular? It seems especially unlikely given recent sales trends -

Apple Mac shipments fell 40.5% in the first quarter of 2023, compared with the same time the prior year, market intelligence provider IDC said.
Apple’s worldwide PC market share dropped between the first quarter of 2022 and the first quarter of 2023, from 8.6% to 7.2%, according to IDC data.

Article here - https://www.cnbc.com/2023/04/10/apples- ... s-idc.html

Logic is clearly one of the top five DAWs. To think that it’s failing because Apple bought it is silly.

Who said it's failing? It used to be the undisputed no. 1 choice of professionals and part-timers alike. Nobody would describe it as such today. What failed was Apple's ploy to force more people to buy Macs. FCP definitely helped sell a lot of Macs into post-production houses but killing off the Windows version of Logic didn't really have the same effect.

It’s ubiquitous, what more do you want?

It's ubiquitous amongst the 7.2% of people with a Mac, which is to say that it's not ubiquitous at all. I'd be very surprised if there are as many users today as there were when it was cross-platform.

[fedexnman]

I think Apogee devices now work on Windows, for awhile they were Mac only . It's kind of wierd because I though Apple owned Apogee , similar to owning Beats by Dr Dre.

[EnochLight]

To be fair, "rock" (as we know it) with traditional drummers keeping time hasn't been the most popular music genre for many, many years.

Absolute bollocks.

Naw, not bullocks at all. But you keep your fingers in your ears and your eyes closed, meanwhile - in reality the vast majority of popular music consumed is electronic based.

Also, nowhere did I say that rock still wasn't popular - it's just not nearly as popular as it used to be.

[machinesworking]

Who said it's failing? It used to be the undisputed no. 1 choice of professionals and part-timers alike. Nobody would describe it as such today. What failed was Apple's ploy to force more people to buy Macs. FCP definitely helped sell a lot of Macs into post-production houses but killing off the Windows version of Logic didn't really have the same effect.

No that would be Cubase. 23 years ago it was Cubase, Pro Tools, Logic, Sonar, Digital Performer, Fruity Loops. in more or less that order. Now it's likely FL Studio, Live, Logic, Cubase, Pro Tools, and Reaper. Even if you take out Pro Tools, I see no degradation of Logics popularity. Maybe in Australia but in the USA it clearly used to be second fiddle to Cubase. Now I would say in the states it's the second most popular DAW.

Logic lost PC users for sure, but if you wanted to point out what it really gutted and destroyed, that would be Digital Performer, not its own sales. Logic becoming the de facto Mac DAW, meant that DP which at the time was Mac only, was seen as second class. Then the transition to OS X from OS 9 done of course insanely quickly by the Logic team who were newly bought meant that anyone using OS X for audio was buying Logic, and new users all bought Logic by default. DP has never recovered from that and I'm amazed they manage to produce a world class DAW without half the market share they had. Of course The same thing would have happened to Sonar if MS had bought Logic, but Gibson killed their popularity instead.

It's ubiquitous amongst the 7.2% of people with a Mac, which is to say that it's not ubiquitous at all. I'd be very surprised if there are as many users today as there were when it was cross-platform.

That 86.8% number by PCs includes a massive swath of check out stands. i"m not arguing this again, but the reality is in the audio world, Mac use is exponentially higher than any other pro area. Any developer of any size I've talked to that makes cross platform software has sales closer to 50/50, generally in the 60/40 range. Ableton developers I talked to 20 years ago claimed 50/50, and that was 20 years ago.

Again, Logic is insanely popular, and Apples main victim wasn't Logic sales from buying it, but Mac only DP3 sales.

[pdxindy]

That 86.8% number by PCs includes a massive swath of check out stands. i"m not arguing this again, but the reality is in the audio world, Mac use is exponentially higher than any other pro area. Any developer of any size I've talked to that makes cross platform software has sales closer to 50/50, generally in the 60/40 range. Ableton developers I talked to 20 years ago claimed 50/50, and that was 20 years ago.

Now Logic is available on iPad... that's also a big new potential user base.

I wonder how many Mac users don't have Logic? I bought it years ago and have not had to pay for an update since. And the development has been exceptional!

I mostly use Bitwig, but Logic has so much great functionality so its my backup DAW. Is there. anything like Logic's Drummer in another DAW? The tempo mapping works well. Alchemy is a world class synth. Logic's Step Sequencer is worth getting Logic just for that. And so on.

[vurt]

im sure one day, you will convince bones to go mac, just keep going

[Jac459]

That 86.8% number by PCs includes a massive swath of check out stands. i"m not arguing this again, but the reality is in the audio world, Mac use is exponentially higher than any other pro area. Any developer of any size I've talked to that makes cross platform software has sales closer to 50/50, generally in the 60/40 range. Ableton developers I talked to 20 years ago claimed 50/50, and that was 20 years ago.

Now Logic is available on iPad... that's also a big new potential user base.

I wonder how many Mac users don't have Logic? I bought it years ago and have not had to pay for an update since. And the development has been exceptional!

I mostly use Bitwig, but Logic has so much great functionality so its my backup DAW. Is there. anything like Logic's Drummer in another DAW? The tempo mapping works well. Alchemy is a world class synth. Logic's Step Sequencer is worth getting Logic just for that. And so on.

Why use Logic if you have Bitwig ???

It is like having a Ferrari and deciding to use an Alpha Romeo...

(just joking, you made your point clear already)

[dellboy]

the reality is in the audio world, Mac use is exponentially higher than any other pro area.

It would be interesting to know how many KVR members are in the "audio world" as full time professionals.