Why you left Ableton?

[EnGee]

The performance is shit in Windows especially with new/modern synths like Massive X or OPSix, etc.
I also didn't like M4L integration. It's so CPU hungry and slow to load. Very heavy.
Glad that I've got rid of it

[Yorrrrrr]

A combination of a bad computer, Windows OS and CPU-hungry/badly optimized plugins can result in that, I can totally relate. Gladly I switched to a great Apple silicon computer and MacOS. Ableton 12 (or 11) is so quick and lean here (as well as any other software, Bitwig being the exception,CPU and memory heavy, sluggish projects loading). Even heavy M4L performs excellent here

[EnGee]

Yes I agree. On my M1 miniMac I don't have a problem with any DAW to be honest! Live and Cubase performs much better on Mac. The thing is I use Windows, Mac and Linux (mostly the latter these days), so for me just running on Mac only is not what I want.
I don't think I have a 'bad computer'. Bitwig, S1, Reason and Reaper runs very well without upping the performance of the PC to 'High Performance' and without setting nVidia control panel to maximum performance. Why should I use Live instead of Bitwig or Reason or Cubase that run better and actually with better tools and workflow (for me). Oh what about installing Push 3 driver without telling me?! That's really pissed me off! I don't have Push 3 (I had Push 2 and didn't find it that useful and sold it), so this is also a stupid decision from Ableton.
Lastly, the support isn't like before (when I was on version 9 for example). They are not that friendly anymore. So, I weighed the positives and negatives, and for me the negatives are more than the positives.

[Phil B]

Too bloated and convoluted for me personally. Bitwig felt like if they had the chance to start over and refocus, so gave it a shot. Got lucky that the development of bitwig has matched my interests, so never went back and finally sold ableton earlier this year

[machinesworking]

I never really left I always have used an "old school" DAW along with Live. Probably since I started using it a version 3. Even with all the improvements I really really love some things about Live and Bitwig for that matter, but the modern approach of excluding traditional musical workflows doesn't always work, for me anyway. Count in only working with recording, no event list, the (I'm sorry if you love it) goofy way the transport works, the fact you have to mouse and drag to get even marginally accurate zooming, the lack of System Exclusive (There's a M4L patch but it's not recording automation done in SysEx), the lack of pre-rendering or extra buffer for instrument and audio tracks that aren't armed means that both are massive CPU pigs compared to Logic, Digital Performer, Studio One, Cubase and Reaper, neither have notation, or articulation mapping for orchestral libraries, and movie scoring is eh loose in Live, nonexistent in Bitwig.

Beyond that Live has fantastic control surface support, with mapping for various AU/VSTs that make it work like NKS without the Komplete Control wrapper, it hardly stutters ever no matter what you throw at it, I would say the dual monitor support is best in class. Barring version 8 when they introduced Max 4 Live, it's dead stable on mac, and honestly most PC users I know are in agreement. I'm not sure why some of you are not having good luck with it, I hate saying it, but that's always been the Windows running on a zillion systems issue though. Max 4 Live is truly unique, the Grid seems more immediate, but when you add in all the tags in M4L for video and external objects, it's not comparable.

I still own it, still use it, but I'm not selling Bitwig, if 12 doesn't wow me, then I'll probably just go with Bitwig, since they're truly trying to shake things up.

[PieBerger]

The performance is shit in Windows especially with new/modern synths like Massive X or OPSix, etc.
I also didn't like M4L integration. It's so CPU hungry and slow to load. Very heavy.
Glad that I've got rid of it

Once it gets going, I find the performance to be quite good on PC, good enough anyway, but it has always been slow as hell to load, even my ancient 2core MacBook Pro will load my default project in a fraction of the time...

[questionaire]

I left Ableton for the plain ugly interface, it was if i was looking to excel spreadsheet which did not inspire me at all. Ableton was in the times when Bitwig was not there the only DAW with clip launching which was the only reason to use Ableton Live for me. Until Bitwig came a long, with a much better sampler imho. The samplker is an important part for me, however i still miss the slicing functionality of the Ableton simpler.

I forget the most important reason i left Ableton because it does not provide Linux support. With the introduction of Bitwig I could finally say goodbye to audio troubler Windows systems. For years i have been tweaking Windows like hell to get it optimized for audio without complete satisfaction.
With Ubuntu Studio everything works like a charm. No more out of nowhere spikes/drop outs and much better performance relating to cpu consumption and much lower RTL latency values.

[liquidsound]

I left Ableton for the plain ugly interface, it was if i was looking to excel spreadsheet which did not inspire me at all. Ableton was in the times when Bitwig was not there the only DAW with clip launching which was the only reason to use Ableton Live for me. Until Bitwig came a long, with a much better sampler imho. The samplker is an important part for me, however i still miss the slicing functionality of the Ableton simpler.

I forget the most important reason i left Ableton because it does not provide Linux support. With the introduction of Bitwig I could finally say goodbye to audio troubler Windows systems. For years i have been tweaking Windows like hell to get it optimized for audio without complete satisfaction.
With Ubuntu Studio everything works like a charm. No more out of nowhere spikes/drop outs and much better performance relating to cpu consumption and much lower RTL latency values.

So you running away from pain rather then toward pleasure

[questionaire]

I left Ableton for the plain ugly interface, it was if i was looking to excel spreadsheet which did not inspire me at all. Ableton was in the times when Bitwig was not there the only DAW with clip launching which was the only reason to use Ableton Live for me. Until Bitwig came a long, with a much better sampler imho. The samplker is an important part for me, however i still miss the slicing functionality of the Ableton simpler.

I forget the most important reason i left Ableton because it does not provide Linux support. With the introduction of Bitwig I could finally say goodbye to audio troubler Windows systems. For years i have been tweaking Windows like hell to get it optimized for audio without complete satisfaction.
With Ubuntu Studio everything works like a charm. No more out of nowhere spikes/drop outs and much better performance relating to cpu consumption and much lower RTL latency values.

So you running away from pain rather then toward pleasure

No really love Linux and Bitwig the best combination there is for me, love it and haveing lots of fun/pleasure with it. Just sharing my experience here i dont care if others chose another route, really enjoy whatever you chose. Stick whatever you are happy with.
Just saying there is more then windows and macs so considering to use Linux together with Bitwig is not a bad option in my opinion

[electro]

How do you run Windows VSTs on Linux?

[questionaire]

How do you run Windows VSTs on Linux?

With the help of yabridge or linvst i do run alot of windows vsts with succes. Bridging them with the help of wine. Believe it or not most of the VST's perform better then on windows cpu consumption wise. Again just my experience with linux based OS and bitwig.

May everybody in the world be happy with Windows, Macs or Linux.

I'm happy with Bitwig on Linux.

[machinesworking]

I left Ableton for the plain ugly interface,

I understand that, but although I sort of like Bitwigs interface for practical reasons it's not pretty. I like the color orange, it's not that, it just looks like a toy in a way. Everything is clear etc. it's just sort of preschool looking.

To be fair the only two DAWs I think look decent are Studio One and Digital Performer (DP because of some good themes though).

[_leras]

I left Ableton for the plain ugly interface,

I understand that, but although I sort of like Bitwigs interface for practical reasons it's not pretty. I like the color orange, it's not that, it just looks like a toy in a way. Everything is clear etc. it's just sort of preschool looking.

To be fair the only two DAWs I think look decent are Studio One and Digital Performer (DP because of some good themes though).

I think the simple look of Bitwig is great as it just stays out of the way, is pretty easy on the eye for long sessions, and as a result let's me use my ears more.

[Cyoon]

Seeing something like this just stresses me out. Can't quickly make sense of where the track row starts and ends, it's just looking messy to me. That's why I left Ableton in version 8.

[liquidsound]

I left Ableton for the plain ugly interface, it was if i was looking to excel spreadsheet which did not inspire me at all. Ableton was in the times when Bitwig was not there the only DAW with clip launching which was the only reason to use Ableton Live for me. Until Bitwig came a long, with a much better sampler imho. The samplker is an important part for me, however i still miss the slicing functionality of the Ableton simpler.

I forget the most important reason i left Ableton because it does not provide Linux support. With the introduction of Bitwig I could finally say goodbye to audio troubler Windows systems. For years i have been tweaking Windows like hell to get it optimized for audio without complete satisfaction.
With Ubuntu Studio everything works like a charm. No more out of nowhere spikes/drop outs and much better performance relating to cpu consumption and much lower RTL latency values.

So you running away from pain rather then toward pleasure

No really love Linux and Bitwig the best combination there is for me, love it and haveing lots of fun/pleasure with it. Just sharing my experience here i dont care if others chose another route, really enjoy whatever you chose. Stick whatever you are happy with.
Just saying there is more then windows and macs so considering to use Linux together with Bitwig is not a bad option in my opinion

It was long ago when I tried Linux but I had real problems. Nowadays it’s probably easier and smoother then 10 or 12 IIRC.