Official Arturia VCollection5 thread

[Scotty]

So now we're into class warfare due to size of the Arturia installer? Yes all of our personal struggles should be placed at the greedy feet of those obviously amateur coders and graphic designers at Arturia. Instead of enabling our creativity they are putting up needless barriers to our artistic pursuits and charging gross sums just for the opportunity of using the Synclavier.. those bastards! The audacity (sorry that one is free) and arrogance. It isn't Goldman Sachs who are siphoning off your prosperity it is Arturia who is to blame. Who would have believed that society's woes could be solved with optimized bitmapped files to ease the burden on our overstuffed SSD drives? No there is nothing wrong with this thread...perfectly objective commentary with little hyperbole and reasonable expectations of the developer. Excuse me while I go rescue hapless seal pups and hard drives from the senseless slaughter. Oh, I feel a protest song coming on... now which synth will I use? ....hmmmm so many choices.

[fmr]

SO!!!
Who can tell me where to find these GUI files on my HD, so I can delete the ones I don't need?
I looked in a few places, but found no sign of them. I'm on Win 7 Pro 64-bit
Thanks

Program Data/Arturia/"plug-in_name"/Resources

But if you end up with a white GUI, don't complain...

[wwjd]

hahahahah Scotty!!!

[PAK]

BTW, Cameron Jones has some interesting notes about Synclavier V here, if no body posted the link yet - http://www.synclavier.com/info-pages/so ... ching.html

Though it could use some colour to help denote areas, I actually prefer his engineering test interface to the photo-realistic approach. The reason is the "see as much as possible at once" approach works better for me when it comes to actually using something to edit sounds.

Which isn't to say that photo-realism doesn't have its place. I'm definitely not a fan of very flat 2D vector graphic interfaces either, because some variety in both colours and textures helps the eye to mark out different areas of an interface, and that's important especially as interfaces get larger and more complex.

Realistically, Arturia's GUI will sell more product than such an interface would. I just wonder how many people, who want to edit sounds, wouldn't prefer something more towards that engineering GUI approach

[wwjd]

Never complain about SPACE in 2016. My buddy just bought 3 TERABYTES, 7200RPM for $60. SPACE should not be any concern for computer users. And fretting about programming efficiency died 20 years ago. That's the evolution of coding.
Don't buy a Ferrari if you don't want to pay $700 tune ups.

*I* needed the 4K sized interfaces DESPERATELY! Makes a huge difference and is very much appreciated by some.

SOME OF US DON'T f**king HAVE AN EXTRA f**king 60 BUCKS TO DROP ON HARDWARE WE DON'T ACTUALLY NEED, JUST TO ACCOMMODATE UNREASONABLY LARGE GUI GRAPHICS!!! blah blah blah rant....

Yes I have a 4K monitor for video/audio work. Not BRAGGING but if you see it that way, no one can help you not. Those larger GUIs make this set awesome.

We all have wishes: I wish ALL MODERN software would run on a $100 1993 computer running Windows For Workgroups and only take up 10 Megabytes. Well, it doesn't and that's life.
I work 7 feet from 5 coders and worrying about space effciency is not even on the priority list (great FUNCTIONING code is). That's life.

5 years from now, 50 petabytes will be in a fingernail sized wifi jump drive - NO ONE will worry about space. That's life.

Don't bring your Yugo to the 1/4 mile track and expect miracles. That's life.

Chillax dude, and write/play some soft, gentle music.

[Funkybot's Evil Twin]

"Diskspace slaughter" paired with "I'm not even complaining" could use further explanation however I'd much rather read about the sound. Does any care to talk about the Farfisa V? I've never owned or played the real deal. Does this version cover the same territory? Does that even matter to you? Is it its own thing?

I have a Farfisa VIP-255 that needs to be recapped so I haven't used it in a few years, but Farfisa-V nails the sound IMO. The new (compared to ComboF) tone/drawbar stops on the right side of the UI are exactly what I remember my Farfisa sounding like. These were missing in ComboF so while the freebie was good, Farfisa-V takes it to another level. It's my favorite plug in the bundle.

[Scotty]

When you are looking for an organ type sound what leads you to the the Farfisa or B3. Is there a definable characteristic that can be put into words?

"Diskspace slaughter" paired with "I'm not even complaining" could use further explanation however I'd much rather read about the sound. Does any care to talk about the Farfisa V? I've never owned or played the real deal. Does this version cover the same territory? Does that even matter to you? Is it its own thing?

I have a Farfisa VIP-255 that needs to be recapped so I haven't used it in a few years, but Farfisa-V nails the sound IMO. The new (compared to ComboF) tone/drawbar stops on the right side of the UI are exactly what I remember my Farfisa sounding like. These were missing in ComboF so while the freebie was good, Farfisa-V takes it to another level. It's my favorite plug in the bundle.

[artao]

SO!!!
Who can tell me where to find these GUI files on my HD, so I can delete the ones I don't need?
I looked in a few places, but found no sign of them. I'm on Win 7 Pro 64-bit
Thanks

Program Data/Arturia/"plug-in_name"/Resources

But if you end up with a white GUI, don't complain...

Awesome. Thank you.
If I screw it up, I can always just re-install. I'm only using the demos right now until I can afford to update my V4 Collection. No way I can afford the whole V5 upgrade tho. .. maybe someday, when the Synclavier goes on sale.

EDIT: damn! didn't work <sigh>
do I maybe need to edit some .xml files? has anyone actually successfully done this yet?

[artao]

Never complain about SPACE in 2016. My buddy just bought 3 TERABYTES, 7200RPM for $60. SPACE should not be any concern for computer users. And fretting about programming efficiency died 20 years ago. That's the evolution of coding.
Don't buy a Ferrari if you don't want to pay $700 tune ups.

*I* needed the 4K sized interfaces DESPERATELY! Makes a huge difference and is very much appreciated by some.

SOME OF US DON'T f**king HAVE AN EXTRA f**king 60 BUCKS TO DROP ON HARDWARE WE DON'T ACTUALLY NEED, JUST TO ACCOMMODATE UNREASONABLY LARGE GUI GRAPHICS!!! blah blah blah rant....

Yes I have a 4K monitor for video/audio work. Not BRAGGING but if you see it that way, no one can help you not. Those larger GUIs make this set awesome.

We all have wishes: I wish ALL MODERN software would run on a $100 1993 computer running Windows For Workgroups and only take up 10 Megabytes. Well, it doesn't and that's life.
I work 7 feet from 5 coders and worrying about space effciency is not even on the priority list (great FUNCTIONING code is). That's life.

5 years from now, 50 petabytes will be in a fingernail sized wifi jump drive - NO ONE will worry about space. That's life.

Don't bring your Yugo to the 1/4 mile track and expect miracles. That's life.

Chillax dude, and write/play some soft, gentle music.

Your arrogant, condescending sarcasm is awesome. Goody two-shoes for you! \o/
The computer I just built not 8 months ago should continue functioning just fine for the next 8 to 10 years, with a few upgrades here and there along the way. If a system continues working, don't discard it. THIS is a modern system.
HECK!!! I'm still running a couple old laptops, Pentium III era, that work perfectly well with Win XP on them. I use them for astronomy and sometimes older games. And for reading .pdf files in bed. I can actually run some VSTi on it, using VST Host, surprisingly, for when I'm away from home and feel like fiddling with a synth. Not all VSTi will run on it of course, but more efficiently coded ones do. Such as the synths by Saltine. I even got Tyrell N6 to run on it, tho it wasn't particularly useable. It still ran tho.
Point being ...
If it still works, don't toss it. Garbage is a huge problem in this world. Just cuz it's "old tech" doesn't mean it's not still useful. So stop with the whole "modern systems" crap.
I'm not expecting old systems to run modern software. I AM expecting program developers to not be wasteful just because they can. That's lazy.
I'd rather be using my HD for actual audio files, my music and sample library; not for unneeded GUI graphics. Thanks. It's nice that they're useful for YOU, but how many people actually have 4K monitors? Not a whole lot. It's bleeding edge tech still, and not at all common.
Again, just because the space is there doesn't mean it's okay to use it inefficiently.

[zerocrossing]

anyone: is there an ANALOG DRIFT setting anywhere in these V5 things? Something to give it less perfect oscilators when desired?

Nope. I'd like that as well. Great for getting mushy old sounding dusty sounds.

[zerocrossing]

Had some time on my hands, so i tried to figure out the new minimoog preset format.

Pretty simple: You have a number that specifies the amount of chars of the parameter name, then comes the parameter name itself, then comes the value for that parameter. Rinse, repeat. Differences: Compared with Xaviers original preset system, the values are now strictly 0-1. So what used to be 5.000000e-001 in the old format (the 'e-001' postfix meant 'divided by 10') is now 0.5 in the new format. Some value-ranges (VCO Foot, Matrix Sources/Targets, etc.) have changed as well, but were easy enough to figure out by looking at other presets.

Simple enough. So now that i understood how the system works i took the '1 Osc' preset from the Templates folder and started to transfer the precise values from an old-version preset file over into that new-format file. This worked perfectly, except for the fact that after the first use of the preset the synth had altered certain values in the preset file to slightly different values. (By itself, mind, preset saving is disabled in the demos.) For instance the DRY_WET_DELAI parameter has a value of 3.500000e-001 in the original preset file. In the new format this would be 0.35, so thats what i entered. However, after using the preset and closing the synth, that value was changed to 0.34999999. Reason unknown, i didnt touch anything. There were a couple other values where similar changes occured, for instance the LFO_RATE parameter originally had a value of 5.335625e-001 (which is 0.5335625 in the new format), but was changed to 0.53356248 when i re-checked the file. Nothing dramatic of course, but IMO still worth mentioning.


At any rate, i now had a new-format preset which contained the precise values of the old version preset. This allowed me to compare the sound of old and new on equal settings, (which was the whole point of the excercise), and the sound of the new version is definitely a lot different, no doubt about it. I still think its missing 'something' in the mid-bass range compared with the old version, but the treble range definitely has more presence and you could probably also call it 'cleaner'. Whether thats a good thing or a bad thing of course depends on whether youre making brighter stuff or more bassy stuff.


Conclusion: The new version aint bad, i see no reason why somebody should NOT get it. But is it a reason to throw away the old version? No. Not in my opinion. On the contrary, some will probably even prefer the old version because the new version can get extremely bright and sharp on presets that require a more open filter.

Do some a/b tests that feature osc 3 modulating the filter cut off. It's clear the new one does a lot better.

[fmr]

Realistically, Arturia's GUI will sell more product than such an interface would. I just wonder how many people, who want to edit sounds, wouldn't prefer something more towards that engineering GUI approach

Basically, all edit work I perform in Synclavier V is done in the "terminal" window. I even told Arturia that, IMO, each instrument should have some kind of dedicated "edit" window (for the Jup-8 it could be something like the MPG-80, for example, while for some, like the Modular V, it would have to be some kind of page based monitor that show each module individually, with maybe a routing schematic on the right or something). Of course, for some synths, this "edit" window would have to be deeply thought, but yes, I miss a dedicated edit window. But I love the photo-realistic GUIs for playback, and would not want to see them go

[zerocrossing]

A bit disappointed by the pianos (difficult not to be when comparing against Pianoteq ).

Absolutely - The pianos sound absolutely laughable in comparison to Pianoteq despite the install footprint being over 5 times the size. The only thing in the pack that I've now uninstalled as Pianoteq 5 completely destroys all the pianos it's emulating.

You guys just made me want to get the Pianoteq The Stage version is included whey buying a KeyLab 88, it's logical to expect a better piano from a newer product, especially if they want to replace Pianoteq with their own.

But meanwhile I can appreciate the Piano V, thinking of it as an additional bonus of a physical modelling based piano. I've been looking at the Petit Piano and I can get some of the vibe from the Piano V for less hd space. Not bad for the first version, since Arturia usually came with an update to make it better. For now it's more useful for a non standard piano and when being layered with other synth.

I'm not a big piano guy, but is it really that bad? In one of the demo tracks I thought it sounded pretty nice. Usually one of the included sample based pianos in Komplete is good enough for me.

In fact, I am beginning to "warm" to some of these pianos a little now .. quite "tweakable".. the concert grand, brightened up a bit via the Tuning/Settings pane is getting much more like it here IMHO . Still doesn't have quite the subtility of the dynamics of the Pianoteq offerings, but beginning to get much more "playable" than right out of the box. There's hope for some of the uprights too .(although we do need something a bit cleverer than a global Unison Detune (effectively just a chorus) on the Piano-bar Upright in order to get a decent honky-tonk .

I agree. More tweakability on Piano V would be really nice. Give me the ability to change the resonant chamber character or load my own impulses.

[zerocrossing]

Would you guys get the upgrade to 5 or should I get the upgrade to omisphere 2?

Omnisphere 2 for sure, unless you really have a yearning for SynclavierV.

[otristan]

For instance the DRY_WET_DELAI parameter has a value of 3.500000e-001 in the original preset file. In the new format this would be 0.35, so thats what i entered. However, after using the preset and closing the synth, that value was changed to 0.34999999. Reason unknown, i didnt touch anything. There were a couple other values where similar changes occured, for instance the LFO_RATE parameter originally had a value of 5.335625e-001 (which is 0.5335625 in the new format), but was changed to 0.53356248 when i re-checked the file.

Short answer: Related to floating point representation in a computer.
Long answer: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Floating_ ... d_rounding