Syntronik 2 Discussions

[Opil]

And what bothers me is not that someone is more knowledgeable than me about hardware synthesizers but that when i report the "O-type" filter bug to IK Multimedia support on May 11 and they reply on May 27 (after i a ask an update of my ticket) that they can't reproduce while in the same time following the report of this bug on the IK forum on May 11 at 7:41 a.m. "Steve-xyz", with the same explanations could reproduce this bug only 12 hours later as you can see here https://cgi.ikmultimedia.com/ikforum/vi ... 12&t=30034
In the same thread on May 16 "ttinker" "after looking at this a little" could reproduce this bug.

On may 28 at 6:16 am when i ask confirmation on kvr forum in this thread and the same day at 9:47 am "Teksonik" could reproduce this bug with the same explanations.

What it concern me is how simple customers can reproduce these bugs in 10 minutes with the same explanations when technical staff can't in a month and a half!
How the Syntronik bug fixing support could not find out that the resonance of a filter does not work in all modes, how the Syntronik bug fixing support could not find out that neither the cut off, nor the resonance nor the filter envelope works on a filter.

But may be you can ask Erik Norlander so that it illuminates the IK support and shows them the difference between a resonance filter that works and no resonance or between a filter envelope that works and an envelope that has no effect when you manipulate its parameters.

What also bothers me is that you come and tell customers on June 17 that they can load multis with confidence after update 203 when this is still not the case with the next update 204 when I clearly demonstrated on Sun Jun 19, 2022 4:23 am in this thread, with screenshots that after update 2.0.3 part of the multis bug was not fixed.

As you could see what I report AGAIN on June 19 is still not set when you load the Syntronik 1 multis from the "beat", "groove" and "groove split" folders. Take the first Syntronik 1 multi available in the "Syntronik 1\Groove Split" folder take to Syntronik 2 group buy, "Full Construction Mode" and see the part B and C:

syn1.png

syn2.png

On Syntronik 1 part B have:
12 dB LPF R-type filter
934 cut off
filter velocity at 3.9
filter enveloppe attack of 370ms
filter enveloppe hold of 310ms
filter enveloppe decay of 884ms
filter enveloppe sustain at the middle
filter enveloppe amount at 2

On Syntronik 2 part B have:
24 dB LPF M-type filter NOT THE SAME filter
20Khz cut off NOT THE SAME
filter velocity at 0 NOT THE SAME
filter enveloppe attack of 25ms NOT THE SAME
filter enveloppe hold of 0ms NOT THE SAME
filter enveloppe decay of 206ms NOT THE SAME
filter enveloppe sustain at the minimum NOT THE SAME
filter enveloppe amount at 10 NOT THE SAME
i don't need to be an expert for say you that this part ne sonnera pas pareil!

On Syntronik 1 part C have:
Formant filter
961 morph
a good filter resonance at 21, some drive and velocity sensitivity
filter velocity at 3.9
A filter enveloppe with an attack of 394ms
filter enveloppe decay of 6 secondes
...
On Syntronik 2 part C have :
NO FILTER

I don't need to be an expert for say you that this part "ne sonnera pas pareil" in french!

I was forced to alert everyone on kvr and cakewalk by clearly demonstrating with videos and screenshots what was easy to hear and see in 10 minutes.

What also bothers me is that despite the difference in sound level visible on the screenshots I posted on June 19, you come the same day and give me a useless lecture on the functioning of the multis (which I already know) and you say that it is "normal"

And now after having demonstrated that you or the team that had answered that "there was no resonance on any filter and on any slope in Syntronik" did not know their own software since this functionality is available for the M-type filter since Syntronik 1 (some years now) you come back to give me another useless lecture by quoting a synthesis expert on the functioning of hardwares filters while I never spoke about hardware filters. Too nice! Thank you!

Two day after, on June 21 the IK support told me that they have tested and confirmed the bugs.

About this last update

1- Here you can see a difference on the attack of the sound with a filter LPF "O-type" beetween the same preset loaded in Syntronik 1 and Syntronik 2

lpf otype.png

Yeah, IT'S A BUG......... but in Syntronik 1 i like to play
I'm sure there is some who sweated a bit when they saw the screenshot with the red arrows

more seriously

Concerning this last update:
2-Some bugs still there:

204 thin flanging.png

You can already see that the sound levels difference are still here like on the without filter or without OSC 2

It seem that the without FX seems to be fixed but not, if you zoom on:

bump.png

You can see a bump when the key is released => no bump on syntronik 1

And this bump don't occur with the 2.0.2 and 2.0.3 versions like you can see on my old 2.0.3 render with the same preset with the same parameters

203 thin flanging.png

3-It's a NEW BUG, it's not a joke this time

nobump.png

Here you can see that there is no bump and the sound level is the same when the OSC 2 and FX are disabled. And like you understand if there is bump with OSC 2 + without FX and no bump when OSC2 and FX are disabled it's because OSC 2 is faulty!

But like you can see on the last audio item of the first screenshot when only OSC2 is disabled there is a sound level difference yet.No need to zoom!

Conclusion:
-the OSC2 is faulty, it's a new bug and FX is faulty too, this bug have not been fixed.

-these bugs (can) occur on all Syntronik 1 presets with FX and OSC2 actived

-these bugs (can) occur on all Syntronik 1 multis like the "Cold Lead" multi that i have render again with the last 2.0.4 update

cold lead multi 204.png

It's not obvious but you can see a sound level difference

-these bugs (can) occur on all Syntronik 2 multis with Syntronik 1 "parts/presets"

Peter do you think that IK Multimedia need an expert for do what i do, render one or two preset and multi with or without FX, filters ... CHECK!!!

[kevvvvv]

Am really getting into Syntronik synths now

Using them all the time, every night.

Because these synths are old they don't always have the same "finish" as latest the endlessly modulatable wavetable synths, the ones we all use every day.

I find this very cool, as Syntronik synths are wide open to all the fabulous effects I have

Todays effects take these old synths in great new directions.

btw I'm not slagging IK effects at all. But mrhythmiser, cableguys, baby audio and Studo One automation are delivering sounds I've never heard in my studio before today

I don't use loops and rely on synths for the sounds I'm using.

So thank you IK for a great deal/opportunity to discover more

[jeffn1]

Kevv,

Funny, I am sort of on opposite the end of the spectrum and I am also getting a lot out of Syntronik.

I am in a new 80's band and we are playing a lot of synth-based new wave (Take on My (Ah ha), I Got You (Split Enz), Hungry Like the Wolf (Duran Duran), Just Like Heaven (the Cure)). My programming chops are basically limited to modifying ASDR envelopes and maybe poking around with other simple parameters (changing reverb effect levels) to get me where I want to be.

I have been leaning on Syntronik heavily to find sounds that (maybe with a small amount of tweaking) that are right (or certainly close enough). (The fact that the CPU hit is reasonable is a big plus.)

This Group Buy happened to come along at the perfect time for me.

Jeff

[Teksonik]

I don't know if this has been posted yet but credit where credit is due....

What’s New in Syntronik 2.0.4

- Fixed additional issues causing Multis using Syntronik 1 presets to not be recalled correctly
- Fixed a bug where error messages would not appear when loading Multis from the Layer panel
- Fixed a bug in the 99 Synth missing the 24dB slope in the M-Type filter
- Fixed a bug in the Blau Synth where the M-Type HP filter 6dB slope appeared grayed out when selected
- Fixed a bug where program changes were not retained on reopen of DAW or standalone app
- SH-V Synth buttons are now more easily clickable
- Made UI adjustments to SH-V filter mode and slope sliders
- Made UI adjustments to tooltips on SH-V Synth
- Made UI adjustments to tab size when hosted as a plug-in
- Fixed a bug where the Tune control on the Synth panels did not match Syntronik 1
- Fixed a bug where Syntronik 1 instruments lost signal when set to minimum Tune
- Fixed an issue with the Distortion effect where the modes sounded different than Syntronik 1
- Fixed a bug with the Overscream effect where the Tone control was reversed
- Fixed an bug with where the O-Type filter was sometimes loaded incorrectly on Syntronik 1 presets
- General reliability improvements

[jeffn1]

Although Syntronik generally works well for me (and I am increasingly using it for live performance within Gig Performer), I occasionally run into presets that do not load. (I think the message says they are missing).

So, what procedure do you guys follow to fix this? (If there is a link to a video or walk through that applies, that is great too).

Jeff

[Teksonik]

All you can do is make a note of which presets fail to load along with the actual message that is generated then pass that along to IK support.

If you'll post a preset that fails to load I'll try it here and see if I get the same result.

But beyond that It would be nearly impossible for us to give you a fix based on such a vague description of the problem.

[jeffn1]

Thanks, I'll get the specifics and post here.

[db100]

I bought un on the last gb and too have some presets not working. Ill let support know the spcific presets and messages..

[zzz00m]

Missing presets or missing samples? Those would likely be different issues.

The exact error messages would be vital to solving them...

[Lbdunequest]

/RANT MODE ON

After checking all the presets of whole Syntronik 1/2 i have to say this,

Syntronik 2 is a bloatware. IT has so much samey presets and it takes 200 gigabytes. Diva has more usable and better sounding presets by a mile. Actually most of synths has better and more usable sounds and takes 200 and more times less space. If this software would be 5 gigabytes, i wouldnt be complaining. But most of preset sound so simple and takes up to half gigabyte per patch. I get that the hdd space is cheap, but it takes time to download, it still takes space and it takes time to load. But most of all it takes time to find good or great presets in that pile of shit. Syntronik 2 is a turd package not worth your time and money. I regret spending 34 euros for a group buy.

If you want to buy a rompler and thinking about Syntronik 2, dont waste your money, better save it for a good synth emulation, or even nexus or omnisphere, they will give you much more bang for the money.

It goes a bit off topic but its crazy to see people complaining for something as Sylenth1 being so expensive while being such an "outdated" synth when a piece of garbage called Syntronik 2 exists.

[jeffn1]

I disagree. It certainly does use a lot of hard drive space. But it uses less CPU than many soft synths. So, that is the trade off.

Syntronik is my "go to" app for finding the right sound for my eighties cover band (including the arpeggiator).

I use the search tools a lot to narrow down the type of search.

Actually, I would love to work with IK to suggest additional search terms to improve this function even further. Let me know, IK, I will supply additional search terms. (Not sure if I can spend time finding the sounds that fall within the terms, though).

Jeff

[YnJ]

It's not a soft synth, it's a rompler, a sample player, and every single "synth" is just a sample collection with a new skin for the same UI. It's a waste of money and disc space, I have uninstalled mine already. Sometimes I have more money than sense, at least it wasn't that much money. A lot of disc space though. You get Kontakt instruments which does the same much better if you're looking for any specific sound or synth, as the other guy said though, save your money and get a proper software synth

[zzz00m]

It's not a soft synth, it's a rompler, a sample player, and every single "synth" is just a sample collection with a new skin for the same UI.

You are correct as far as the Syntronik oscillator stage is concerned. But you are not correct regarding what a "rompler" is.

It's entirely possible for a software rompler to also be a soft synth. A rompler is clearly not a fully virtual analog or modeled analog synth. A "soft synth" is also not defined exclusively by modeled oscillators. There are quite a few soft synths that play samples.

Consider that a lot of brand name hardware digital synths such as those from Roland and KORG are technically romplers. But they are still considered to be synthesizers. Many use sampled waveforms in the oscillator stage, followed by actual synth filters, envelopes, modulators, & fx, etc.

So when Roland or KORG makes a plugin version of a vintage digital rompler, then that is still a soft synth.

Yes, Syntronik uses basically the same UI and modeled components for each synth, within which you can select from the supplied filters, etc. But it is far more then "just a sample player".

[Teksonik]

It's not a soft synth, it's a rompler, a sample player, and every single "synth" is just a sample collection with a new skin for the same UI. It's a waste of money and disc space, I have uninstalled mine already. Sometimes I have more money than sense, at least it wasn't that much money. A lot of disc space though. You get Kontakt instruments which does the same much better if you're looking for any specific sound or synth, as the other guy said though, save your money and get a proper software synth

Of course it's a soft synth whether you have the ability to understand that fact or not.

If a synth uses a sample based Osc instead of a generated Osc it's still a synth. Period. End of story.

Is Syntronik the most feature rich and capable soft synth on the market? No of course not but if you have even a modicum of skill and talent you can get some really great sounds out of it.

But I understand that Syntronik is over your head so it's a good thing that you uninstalled it and have moved on so.....move on.

[YnJ]

It's not a soft synth, it's a rompler, a sample player, and every single "synth" is just a sample collection with a new skin for the same UI.

You are correct as far as the Syntronik oscillator stage is concerned. But you are not correct regarding what a "rompler" is.

It's entirely possible for a software rompler to also be a soft synth. A rompler is clearly not a fully virtual analog or modeled analog synth. A "soft synth" is also not defined exclusively by modeled oscillators. There are quite a few soft synths that play samples.

Consider that a lot of brand name hardware digital synths such as those from Roland and KORG are technically romplers. But they are still considered to be synthesizers. Many use sampled waveforms in the oscillator stage, followed by actual synth filters, envelopes, modulators, & fx, etc.

So when Roland or KORG makes a plugin version of a vintage digital rompler, then that is still a soft synth.

Yes, Syntronik uses basically the same UI and modeled components for each synth, within which you can select from the supplied filters, etc. But it is far more then "just a sample player".

ok, fair enough, scratch the rompler, not something I'm using much. It's not more than a sample player though, it's not even a good sample player