Roland Cloud

[itanever]

How do their sh101 and jupiter compare to other offerings? Soz I cannot be bothered to go through the struggle of their installer thing just to demo them. For reference I didn’t like the TAL nor did I like the Softube; comparing to the real one. I am just wondering if Roland themselves have done a proper job

Iirc the Softube one sounded pretty close Roland's offering. I remember being surprised by that, because Model 82 was off compared to hw and I expect Roland's version be more different. I didn't go too deep with the comparisons, but it was enough for me to decide against choosing 101 as one of my play4life instruments.

I never understand these statements like "was off compared to hardware" with VSTs from high quality developers. "Off" how? Given that no two pieces of ancient hardware are going to be the same I'd be curious to know what this means.

Perhaps I should've been a bit more precise, slightly off is what I meant, not night and day. The bar is high in 2025.

Iirc Dash Glitch did a deep dive on the differences. But I really don't care that much to rewatch it and argue about the differences. I'll just happily continue using my Model 82 despite any differences.

[DashOfLime]

How do their sh101 and jupiter compare to other offerings? Soz I cannot be bothered to go through the struggle of their installer thing just to demo them. For reference I didn’t like the TAL nor did I like the Softube; comparing to the real one. I am just wondering if Roland themselves have done a proper job

Iirc the Softube one sounded pretty close Roland's offering. I remember being surprised by that, because Model 82 was off compared to hw and I expect Roland's version be more different. I didn't go too deep with the comparisons, but it was enough for me to decide against choosing 101 as one of my play4life instruments.

I never understand these statements like "was off compared to hardware" with VSTs from high quality developers. "Off" how? Given that no two pieces of ancient hardware are going to be the same I'd be curious to know what this means.

Perhaps I should've been a bit more precise, slightly off is what I meant, not night and day. The bar is high in 2025.

Iirc Dash Glitch did a deep dive on the differences. But I really don't care that much to rewatch it and argue about the differences. I'll just happily continue using my Model 82 despite any differences.

Yeah but I guess the question is is it different enough to outweigh the factors in having old hardware around? I have a Pro-One. It takes up space. It cost a fortune to get it back to a usable state. It doesn't have MIDI. I'm going to say right now that Repro-1 sounds close enough that for me I never touch the Pro-One anymore. Same thing goes for my SH-2. The Roland Cloud SH-2 sounds nearly identical, has more features, and takes up no space. I think you can guess which one I reach for Obviously everyone has their own preferences to using hardware vs. not but I don't hear enough of a difference these days between the "high-end" plugins and my own vintage stuff to warrant keeping old hardware around anymore.

[DashOfLime]

FWIW Plugin Boutique has the RC 808 at 67% off for 808 Day. 49USD.

[Digivolt]

FWIW Plugin Boutique has the RC 808 at 67% off for 808 Day. 49USD.

$41 at JRR with group code

[DashOfLime]

How do their sh101 and jupiter compare to other offerings? Soz I cannot be bothered to go through the struggle of their installer thing just to demo them. For reference I didn’t like the TAL nor did I like the Softube; comparing to the real one. I am just wondering if Roland themselves have done a better job

Roland Cloud instruments are direct emulations of vintage Roland hardware down to a component level.

Is the JX-8P amongst those instruments?

He was responding to the user asking about the SH-101 and JP-8 which are ACB. You know the answer to your question already.

[DashOfLime]

FWIW Plugin Boutique has the RC 808 at 67% off for 808 Day. 49USD.

$41 at JRR with group code

Even better!

[zvenx]

Just got an email that Roland themselves has it at the same price (I think till September 9th this year).
rsp

[Caine123]

how long is this TR 808 sale? just 1 day?

[itanever]

Yeah but I guess the question is is it different enough to outweigh the factors in having old hardware around? I have a Pro-One. It takes up space. It cost a fortune to get it back to a usable state. It doesn't have MIDI. I'm going to say right now that Repro-1 sounds close enough that for me I never touch the Pro-One anymore. Same thing goes for my SH-2. The Roland Cloud SH-2 sounds nearly identical, has more features, and takes up no space. I think you can guess which one I reach for Obviously everyone has their own preferences to using hardware vs. not but I don't hear enough of a difference these days between the "high-end" plugins and my own vintage stuff to warrant keeping old hardware around anymore.

I'd say it comes down the extent that one fetishizes those old synths. I'm not an extreme fetishist, but when I decide to get emulation, I want the one that's closest to the original. Even if it doesn't make a difference in the mix. Kind of stupid, for sure, but I could do worse things with my time and money. On the other hand, one could just get Serum and maybe some fx and live happily ever after.

[Examigan]

I saw there was an update for the XV-5080. Does anyone know what was updated?

[Jon at Roland]

how long is this TR 808 sale? just 1 day?

It's available till September 9th!

Roland use ABM and ACB modeling. ABM is a behaviour modeling, not component like ACB does.
Many other dev use component modeling such UAD, Softube, U-he etc...

Hey Gam, ACB is proprietary technology. I don't know what UAD uses to design their plug-ins, and again it's all a matter of taste, but these instrument are designed with ACB technology which is Rolands emulation technology. And many of the devs who have labored over every detail of both hardware and software, were behind their design. So, "accuracy" is a broad concept here and somewhat subjective, I'm just stating the facts about the instruments’ construction.

[IvyBirds]

how long is this TR 808 sale? just 1 day?

It's available till September 9th!

Roland use ABM and ACB modeling. ABM is a behaviour modeling, not component like ACB does.
Many other dev use component modeling such UAD, Softube, U-he etc...

Hey Gam, ACB is proprietary technology. I don't know what UAD uses to design their plug-ins, and again it's all a matter of taste, but these instrument are designed with ACB technology which is Rolands emulation technology. And many of the devs who have labored over every detail of both hardware and software, were behind their design. So, "accuracy" is a broad concept here and somewhat subjective, I'm just stating the facts about the instruments’ construction.

Component modeling is not unique to Roland, while Roland calls it ACB, it's just modeling individual components in vintage electronics like every other plugin that does so

And of course Roland's software is tied to Roland Cloud Manager which Roland absolutely refuses to fix. So even if you own a lifetime key outright, you don't really own it in the eyes of Roland as you are still forced to phone home once a month regardless of the fact it's already been authorized on your computer. Owning a lifetime key means you should only ever have to authorize it once on your computer

being an owner of the lifetime key is meaningless as you can't rely or depend on using them as at any given time they can and will stop working, which means if you are at the gig or on the clock in the studio you have to waste time trying to get them to work again, and that is if you have a good Wi-Fi signal to do so

I own a ton of software by UAD, Softube, Arturia, UVI, U-he, Steinberg, Korg, Valhalla, Native Instruments, TAL and many more

All of them seem to have figured out how to have plugins that once you own them you own them. None of them have ever failed to launch 5 minutes before the gig because of RCM not recognizing my lifetime key that I paid for and own and that was working a few hours earlier

Only Roland has ever embarrassed me in front of my paying clients, only Roland holds that distinction

[Gam456]

Roland use ABM and ACB modeling. ABM is a behaviour modeling, not component like ACB does.
Many other dev use component modeling such UAD, Softube, U-he etc...

Hey Gam, ACB is proprietary technology. I don't know what UAD uses to design their plug-ins, and again it's all a matter of taste, but these instrument are designed with ACB technology which is Rolands emulation technology.

Roland use ABM (Jupiter X, Jupiter XM, Zenology Pro) as well and it's far to be accurate

[kenn michael]

And of course Roland's software is tied to Roland Cloud Manager which Roland absolutely refuses to fix. So even if you own a lifetime key outright, you don't really own it in the eyes of Roland as you are still forced to phone home once a month regardless of the fact it's already been authorized on your computer. Owning a lifetime key means you should only ever have to authorize it once on your computer

being an owner of the lifetime key is meaningless as you can't rely or depend on using them as at any given time they can and will stop working, which means if you are at the gig or on the clock in the studio you have to waste time trying to get them to work again, and that is if you have a good Wi-Fi signal to do so

I own a ton of software by UAD, Softube, Arturia, UVI, U-he, Steinberg, Korg, Valhalla, Native Instruments, TAL and many more

All of them seem to have figured out how to have plugins that once you own them you own them. None of them have ever failed to launch 5 minutes before the gig because of RCM not recognizing my lifetime key that I paid for and own and that was working a few hours earlier

Only Roland has ever embarrassed me in front of my paying clients, only Roland holds that distinction

Exactly this.

Getting an 808 lifetime key for $49 should've been an insta-purchase for me but RCM kills it 100%. Until Roland fixes RCM and treats lifetime keys like every other company, I can't make anymore Roland purchases.

[Examigan]

how long is this TR 808 sale? just 1 day?

It's available till September 9th!

Roland use ABM and ACB modeling. ABM is a behaviour modeling, not component like ACB does.
Many other dev use component modeling such UAD, Softube, U-he etc...

Hey Gam, ACB is proprietary technology. I don't know what UAD uses to design their plug-ins, and again it's all a matter of taste, but these instrument are designed with ACB technology which is Rolands emulation technology. And many of the devs who have labored over every detail of both hardware and software, were behind their design. So, "accuracy" is a broad concept here and somewhat subjective, I'm just stating the facts about the instruments’ construction.

I'm not sure if you saw what I mentioned earlier? I saw there was an update for the XV-5080. Do you know what was updated?

Also is there list of all updates done to the RC plugins over time?