UVI Falcon - v4 = 2026 released - rumors, ads, praise, kindergarden, auto-sampling and off-topic inside!

[machinesworking]

It looks like a great product for sure. My only complaint is the way the crossgrade/upgrade to Falcon from MachFive 3 is being handled. They have an introductory price of $239, they've shut out every distributor but Best Service from offering any sort of discount on top of that intro price, and have yet to announce the 'late to the table' crossgrade/upgrade offer. We consumers are faced with a dilemma, upgrade tonight at roughly $202 and hope for some sort of retroactive compensation, likely another voucher for the UVI shop, -or- wait and see if UVI themselves offer something better, like a cash out the door intro plus upgrade cost of $150-175 for MachFive owners.

Mostly it's just frustrating that things aren't very clear. It would have been much less of a publicity blunder had UVI come out right away with an upgrade/crossgrade offer for MachFive owners. As evidenced in this thread there are still people convinced that MOTU are possibly coming out with MachFive 4 at some point, but still angry about Falcon for some reason?

I'm the hopeful type, so I'm about to pass up a $27 Best Service savings on Falcon with the trust that UVI do a little better, instead of just offering us more vouchers for their sample library. I like their libraries for the most part, but I could use the cash more than a voucher at the moment.

[Daags]

It looks like a great product for sure. My only complaint is the way the crossgrade/upgrade to Falcon from MachFive 3 is being handled. They have an introductory price of $239, they've shut out every distributor but Best Service from offering any sort of discount on top of that intro price, and have yet to announce the 'late to the table' crossgrade/upgrade offer. We consumers are faced with a dilemma, upgrade tonight at roughly $202 and hope for some sort of retroactive compensation, likely another voucher for the UVI shop, -or- wait and see if UVI themselves offer something better, like a cash out the door intro plus upgrade cost of $150-175 for MachFive owners.

Mostly it's just frustrating that things aren't very clear. It would have been much less of a publicity blunder had UVI come out right away with an upgrade/crossgrade offer for MachFive owners. As evidenced in this thread there are still people convinced that MOTU are possibly coming out with MachFive 4 at some point, but still angry about Falcon for some reason?

I'm the hopeful type, so I'm about to pass up a $27 Best Service savings on Falcon with the trust that UVI do a little better, instead of just offering us more vouchers for their sample library. I like their libraries for the most part, but I could use the cash more than a voucher at the moment.

best service are offering a kind of de facto discount i guess, owing to the fact non-EU customers aren't obliged to pay EU VAT. For EU residents there's nothing discounted about it.

My personal feeling is that they've known what their upgrade/crossgrade policy is going to be well before launch (in what parallel universe could they not know this pre-launch ?)...and when I say policiy I mean to say some kind of voucher for their libraries (not time limited if they're feeling generous). It's actually better for PR to provide this in an apparently reactionary way, rather than propose it from the beginning. In a scenario like this, the wheel is going to squeek anyway - so you may as well save the oil until it makes the noise, rather than greasing it from the get-go.

I will eat my own faeces, and yours, if there's any kind of actual-cash-in-your-pocket discount given for machfive owners. and as far all those feature requests ... XY pads and stuff like that ... forget it, UVI do what they want and any responses to user requests within a major version will be minor - and chances are something they had already planned anyways.


as far as people saying this is a good thing, because machfive was languishing etc ... well, uh, wasn't it UVI who were developing that on behalf of MOTU ? I guess we're assuming MOTU is the big bad wolf who were preventing UVI from doing bugfixes ?

[machinesworking]

best service are offering a kind of de facto discount i guess, owing to the fact non-EU customers aren't obliged to pay EU VAT. For EU residents there's nothing discounted about it.

20 Euros is better than nothing right? unless you know of someplace selling it for less than 239EU

My personal feeling is that they've known what their upgrade/crossgrade policy is going to be well before launch (in what parallel universe could they not know this pre-launch ?)...and when I say policiy I mean to say some kind of voucher for their libraries (not time limited if they're feeling generous). It's actually better for PR to provide this in an apparently reactionary way, rather than propose it from the beginning. In a scenario like this, the wheel is going to squeek anyway - so you may as well save the oil until it makes the noise, rather than greasing it from the get-go.

I will eat my own faeces, and yours, if there's any kind of actual-cash-in-your-pocket discount given for machfive owners. and as far all those feature requests ... XY pads and stuff like that ... forget it, UVI do what they want and any responses to user requests within a major version will be minor - and chances are something they had already planned anyways.

Like any company these things aren't always top down, there's a board of directors, and the real issue could be not what they offer us, but how the reaction from MOTU could affect their business. Plus there is probably people there that think that bad business dealings with MOTU are worse than some disgruntled customers. I agree the most likely thing is an extra $50 voucher, not trying to say UVI are greedy etc. but that it can't be much if they didn't offer it upfront.

as far as people saying this is a good thing, because machfive was languishing etc ... well, uh, wasn't it UVI who were developing that on behalf of MOTU ? I guess we're assuming MOTU is the big bad wolf who were preventing UVI from doing bugfixes ?

Not at all, I'm a Digital Performer user myself and think MOTU make great stuff, but I have no subjective loyalty to any company really, it's the product that matters. There are literally hundreds of reasons as to why a business deal can go sour, it's just as likely that MOTU want to bundle all their software offerings into the next version of Digital Perfomer to compete more firmly with Logic etc. as it is that UVI decided they could make more money selling their sampler/synthesis engine themselves.
MOTU bundled MX4 into DP9 and stopped selling it separately, they include all kinds of mastering and pro level mixing FX into DP9 at this point so it's very IMO likely it wasn't a angry split, more likely MOTU want to concentrate on embedded plug ins, and UVI didn't want to license Machfive like that the way that AAS does with Ableton for instance. Who knows? the point isn't for me making any company out to be a hero or saint, it's to judge them by what they produce.

[Daags]

best service are offering a kind of de facto discount i guess, owing to the fact non-EU customers aren't obliged to pay EU VAT. For EU residents there's nothing discounted about it.

20 Euros is better than nothing right? unless you know of someplace selling it for less than 239EU

you missed my point ? or I'm missing yours ? My point was it's not a true-blue discount, just a regional anomaly owing to tax rates. only pointing it out since you seem to think they've 'shut out' every other retailer from offering a 'discount', but only allowed Best Service. ... they haven't. it's a tax issue. that only non EU residents benefit from.

[Lowbflat]

I really want to play with this but need to wait now till I know what the situation is as a recent MachFive owner.

First off, Falcon is not MachFive 4. For many of us, it's not an adequate replacement for MachFive3.2.1. Doesn't matter how many insist that it is, as long as it can't handle the same sample formats, doesn't include Biosphere and many other features, then it isn't. That's ok, actually.

The Falcon synth engine is very nice it that's what you are looking for but the UVI product lacks too many of the features that M53 owners like I use.

I'm not a big synth person. The inability of Falcon to import sf2 and EXS24 files is a deal killer for me. That's ok, others will be able to use this tool.

There have been hints that M5 owners will be pleased with an upcoming announcement. That's nice. If it's an inexpensive cross-grade, I might go for it (or not). If MachFive 4 is on its way, that will be better and I'm in.

I think you're wrong, no matter how strong you insist.

Falcon doesn't load sf2. Doesn't load EXS24. Doesn't load Kontact. I had to read the first 45 pages of this thread to find that out but those who tried say it can't be done.

Absolute deal killer for me. Dead. Done. It looks cool but I don't need the new synth; never used the one in M5. I already have Biosphere because I have M53.

Not for you to say what I need it to do. If your needs are different, that's ok by me. If there's a really inexpensive crossgrade, I might buy it just in case I have a need someday but it would have to be cheap. Otherwise, I'll wait till someone commissions a project that will pay for the software and time to learn it. Since I'm not known for synth based sound design, that prospect is unlikely.

We all understood by now, that you're angry, but maybe just relax a little.

Angry? Not at all. I stated clearly why I will not be buying this. M5 does what I need; Falcn doesn't. $229 that I won't be spending. I'm good.

Mystified at your condescending, idiotic responses? Yes. Obviously, reading a long response taxes your attention span. Your problem, not mine. Not my issue.

[machinesworking]

best service are offering a kind of de facto discount i guess, owing to the fact non-EU customers aren't obliged to pay EU VAT. For EU residents there's nothing discounted about it.

20 Euros is better than nothing right? unless you know of someplace selling it for less than 239EU

you missed my point ? or I'm missing yours ? My point was it's not a true-blue discount, just a regional anomaly owing to tax rates. only pointing it out since you seem to think they've 'shut out' every other retailer from offering a 'discount', but only allowed Best Service. ... they haven't. it's a tax issue. that only non EU residents benefit from.

Uhhmm? no, in my checkout box for Best Service you put in the code Halloween20 and it discounts 20EU from the order, without VAT I pay roughly 184EU for Falcon, whereas with it's 219EU. The Euro is strong so 184 turns into $202 USD. I think because this is an across the entire site discount it gets out of any UVI asking to not give a discount, and without the discount I would be paying more at Best Service than at some USA company.

You still get a discount at Best Service, the lack of VAT just makes it more substantial for those of us in the states. Don't worry we have crappy health care, schools, government services etc. to more than make up for the lack of fair import export laws.

[Lowbflat]

My only complaint is the way the crossgrade/upgrade to Falcon from MachFive 3 is being handled...

But there isn't any upgrade to Falcon from MachFive. Maybe one will be announced but nothing yet. Falcon is probably a nice add-on to MachFive but it is not an upgrade.

[machinesworking]

Angry? Not at all. I stated clearly why I will not be buying this. M5 does what I need; Falcn doesn't. $229 that I won't be spending. I'm good.

Mystified at your condescending, idiotic responses? Yes. Obviously, reading a long response taxes your attention span. Your problem, not mine. Not my issue.

Actually I got what he meant just fine. You're missing it because you are angry, otherwise why get mad at someone who hasn't said anything more than you're wrong?

Here, the gist of it is this:

First off, Falcon is not MachFive 4. If MachFive 4 is on its way, that will be better and I'm in.

I think you're wrong, no matter how strong you insist.

That, I believe is the meat of what Sampleconstruct was responding to. This declaration that Falcon isn't 99% MachFive and that MOTU might release MacFive 4. Personally I have never ever seen a dissolution of a software partnership where 99% of the code ends up in a new product from the company largely responsible for the code , then the other company continues the original product... it just doesn't happen.

[machinesworking]

My only complaint is the way the crossgrade/upgrade to Falcon from MachFive 3 is being handled...

But there isn't any upgrade to Falcon from MachFive. Maybe one will be announced but nothing yet. Falcon is probably a nice add-on to MachFive but it is not an upgrade.

They are announcing one in the next couple days, someone from UVI posted it in this thread.

Hi all,

Thanks for your enthusiasm around Falcon, we’re very excited to hear what you create with it!

To MachFive3 owners, we hear you and understand.
We can’t comment just yet but please know that we’re working on something for you.
Expect concrete info early this next week.

Whatever the final form is, we’ll make sure it considers both users who have yet to purchase Falcon and those that already have.

Thanks,
Olivier Tristan
Developer - UVI Team
http://www.uvi.net

[Sampleconstruct]

I really want to play with this but need to wait now till I know what the situation is as a recent MachFive owner.

First off, Falcon is not MachFive 4. For many of us, it's not an adequate replacement for MachFive3.2.1. Doesn't matter how many insist that it is, as long as it can't handle the same sample formats, doesn't include Biosphere and many other features, then it isn't. That's ok, actually.

The Falcon synth engine is very nice it that's what you are looking for but the UVI product lacks too many of the features that M53 owners like I use.

I'm not a big synth person. The inability of Falcon to import sf2 and EXS24 files is a deal killer for me. That's ok, others will be able to use this tool.

There have been hints that M5 owners will be pleased with an upcoming announcement. That's nice. If it's an inexpensive cross-grade, I might go for it (or not). If MachFive 4 is on its way, that will be better and I'm in.

I think you're wrong, no matter how strong you insist.

Falcon doesn't load sf2. Doesn't load EXS24. Doesn't load Kontact. I had to read the first 45 pages of this thread to find that out but those who tried say it can't be done.

Absolute deal killer for me. Dead. Done. It looks cool but I don't need the new synth; never used the one in M5. I already have Biosphere because I have M53.

Not for you to say what I need it to do. If your needs are different, that's ok by me. If there's a really inexpensive crossgrade, I might buy it just in case I have a need someday but it would have to be cheap. Otherwise, I'll wait till someone commissions a project that will pay for the software and time to learn it. Since I'm not known for synth based sound design, that prospect is unlikely.

We all understood by now, that you're angry, but maybe just relax a little.

Angry? Not at all. I stated clearly why I will not be buying this. M5 does what I need; Falcn doesn't. $229 that I won't be spending. I'm good.

Mystified at your condescending, idiotic responses? Yes. Obviously, reading a long response taxes your attention span. Your problem, not mine. Not my issue.

Idiotic? Give us some more of your testosterone, please - thank you. If you still believe that MachFive will continue to exist, go for it, wishful thinking is a virtue. Falcon is not an add-on, it's a much improved substitute.

[machinesworking]

Falcon is probably a nice add-on to MachFive but it is not an upgrade.

That's entirely debatable, there are dozens of new features, and so far only two areas where MachFive has more to offer: Sample format conversion, and a basic library.

Kontakt recently closed their format down, so there's that. Basically it does kinda suck IMO, but it's not game changing for me. In many ways Kontakt is always going to be the bigger sampler on the market these days so competing directly against it like M53 was is not too bright. As evidenced by the sheer enthusiasm people who don't own M53 are showing in this thread. It was IMO always the case that M53 was better at being a hybrid instrument than a pure sampler replacement for Kontakt, the sheer amount of third party libraries for Kontakt are testimony to it's total dominance.

[EvilDragon]

Correct.

[Toby Pearce]

Does anybody know if UVI plan to support the Native Instruments NKS format? It would be fantastic to use this with the Komplete Control keyboards.

[Daags]

best service are offering a kind of de facto discount i guess, owing to the fact non-EU customers aren't obliged to pay EU VAT. For EU residents there's nothing discounted about it.

20 Euros is better than nothing right? unless you know of someplace selling it for less than 239EU

you missed my point ? or I'm missing yours ? My point was it's not a true-blue discount, just a regional anomaly owing to tax rates. only pointing it out since you seem to think they've 'shut out' every other retailer from offering a 'discount', but only allowed Best Service. ... they haven't. it's a tax issue. that only non EU residents benefit from.

Uhhmm? no, in my checkout box for Best Service you put in the code Halloween20 and it discounts 20EU from the order, without VAT I pay roughly 184EU for Falcon, whereas with it's 219EU. The Euro is strong so 184 turns into $202 USD. I think because this is an across the entire site discount it gets out of any UVI asking to not give a discount, and without the discount I would be paying more at Best Service than at some USA company.

You still get a discount at Best Service, the lack of VAT just makes it more substantial for those of us in the states. Don't worry we have crappy health care, schools, government services etc. to more than make up for the lack of fair import export laws.

the euro strong ?

anyways, yes, I see now. I guess it's some attempt to introduce some parity between dollar and euro currencies, so EU resident's don't all just buy it from American online retailers. Nice try UVI, I'll still buy it from an American : )

[mdsp]

Just want to confirm something.

When I save a patch, I only have to save it WITH the sample if the sample is one I created myself. If it's a stock sample that came with Falcon, I don't have to save it. Falcon will find it when somebody tries to load the patch.

Correct?

True, and you only have to save it with the sample if you want your patch to be relocatable. Otherwise the absolute path to the original sample will be saved.