Super 8 - New polysynth by Native Instruments

[sQeetz]

You know what else is "quite girthy"?
You know?
You know?
I don't want to go there...

[chk071]

Bit late to the party, but, as I had the chance to directly compare the Reaktor version and the VST3 version R2 now: The VST3 runs circles around the Reaktor version of the plugin in terms of CPU usage. Probably old news, but, I was quite surprised by that. While the Reaktor version already started to crackle with very simple patches on my machine, when I didn't set Windows 10 power plan to high performance, I can easily play a few voices with the VST3. Same when I actually set the power plan to high performance: Many more voices possible in the VST3. They did a good job optimizing it, obviously.

[EvilDragon]

I think the Reaktor version can have the exact same thing done, but you need to go deep into Core level and modify the clocking of the voices, so that only active voices are processed.

[Vortifex]

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[zerocrossing]

Super-8, as is, does not have a mono-legato mode.

I always thought that was a really weird omission. Kind of like how NI makes a controller that puts out polyphonic aftertouch (Maschine) but doesn’t have any other plugins that react (reakt?) to it. That’s how this moron rolls.

[chk071]

CPU use pretty decent here too. Really awful bug with the oscillator semitone transposing, it often doesn't transpose to the displayed amount, skipping some notes altogether.

I noticed that one. Let's report it then? Better double than a single (obscure) person, I guess.

It only happens in the R2 version, by the way. Not in the Reaktor one.

[Vortifex]

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[v1o]

This synth got over shadowed by releasing so close to Massive X.

[LoveEnigma18]

This synth got over shadowed by releasing so close to Massive X.

Most Reaktor-based synths are underrated in my opinion.

[mholloway]

Super-8, as is, does not have a mono-legato mode.

I always thought that was a really weird omission. Kind of like how NI makes a controller that puts out polyphonic aftertouch (Maschine) but doesn’t have any other plugins that react (reakt?) to it. That’s how this moron rolls.

You lost me on this one. Maschine is a VST host that can use any plugin instrument out there. So.....they made it possible to perform with polyphonic aftertouch. I could care less if their own line of synths use it or not, I'm just glad it's possible with Maschine for the plugins that do use it (of which there are relatively very few, btw). You're really reaching for a 'problem' here...it's a plus, not a minus, as far as maschine implementation goes.

[aMUSEd]

Super-8, as is, does not have a mono-legato mode.

I always thought that was a really weird omission. Kind of like how NI makes a controller that puts out polyphonic aftertouch (Maschine) but doesn’t have any other plugins that react (reakt?) to it. That’s how this moron rolls.

Yeah - and for added irony - most of the synths do support channel aftertouch but Maschine filters it out and can’t record it

[briefcasemanx]

This is a very good synth and people saying NI doesn't make anything good anymore are just parroting what other parrots have parroted.

[vata44]

NI makes great stuff and as with all this synth stuff, it's what the people make with it that matters.

[EvilDragon]

Yep, managed to get the voice clocking work in Reaktor version of S8. It's "a bit" more involving than the mono legato tweak. Here's how to do it:

Panel > Super 8 > engine > engine, there is this part:



Needs to be modified to look like this:



So that Voice Core macro needs to have Solid property disabled, G input picks up noteGate distribution bus, VMax integer input picks up numOfVoices distribution bus. And here's how that Core macro looks like:



Boom, now only voices which are active will take any CPU.

Note, the polyV distribution bus is specifically named in Super8, but what it really is is connection to Voice Info primary module (its V port, to be exact), which gives the voice index for each active voice.


Credit goes to Vadim Zavalishin, of course.. I would have never figured this out myself alone.


To make this simpler to implement, you can find the required Core macro attached:

Voice Clocking.zip

[noiseboyuk]

Mario, I'm not sure I really understand what this is about - reducing overall CPU? In which case.. why on Earth doesn't NI do it for everyone?

This reminds me of NI's inexplicable unwillingness to let people make Komplete Kontrol's UI bigger so you can see more than 2 results. A hack was posted years ago, just a change in a text file. It works perfectly. But to this day NI haven't implemented it as a simple preference. (Never mind fixing the other very obvious things wrong with KK such as no listing and sorting by instrument).

NI's ways are curious. They make great products, no doubt about it. But there is a strange pattern of behaviour that they seem to deliberately not do the obvious things, which often cripple otherwise great software. They had a perfectly good tag browser in Kore 15 years ago, and yet Super 8 and Massive X still don't have them today. As Vincini says - "inconceivable"!