Roland Cloud - big change

[v1o]

Just some ideas on pricing...

TB-303: $149

thats a joke, right?

you can get a hardware version for a £129!

ABL3 is only €95...

You can't get a hardware TB303 for that much. You can get a Behringer copy that appears to have some issues, including shitty build quality. and if ABL3 is cheaper and you don't want the Roland version then buy ABL3. Why shouldn't Roland charge what they want? People will either buy it or not. I suspect at $149 many will just buy a subscription.

I know the Behringer MS101 doesn't sound like the original. They changed the circuit to cut costs. But at £129 I would willing to put up with cheap plastic housing as long as it sounds authentic to a real 303 unlike a plugin.

[AnX]

I would willing to put up with cheap plastic housing as long as it sounds authentic to a real 303 unlike a plugin.

what, like the original had?

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I know the Behringer MS101 doesn't sound like the original. They changed the circuit to cut costs.

citation?

[AnX]

. Why do you seem so outraged by the price?

outraged?

erm, ok

[Stefken]

Just some ideas on pricing...

TB-303: $149

thats a joke, right?

you can get a hardware version for a £129!

ABL3 is only €95...

You can't get a hardware TB303 for that much. You can get a Behringer copy that appears to have some issues, including shitty build quality.

BS, its an excellent unit

and yes, roland can charge what they want, and customers can also choose the better quality cheaper alternative

At least I am glad that there is someone out there, that figured out the concept of currencies and knows that 1 dollar does NOT equal 1 euro.

The price is a bit high, but I've tried a lot of Acid plugins and the Roland one is the only one that really vibed with me. . I'm not going to nag over 40 euros. (Correction: Pure Acid for IOS is really nice too but no vst unfortunately )
And the plugin does have advantages over the TD-3.
(Obvious ones are better integration with a DAW and as many instances as your cpu can handle.)

But the edit screen is a much nicer way to edit the sequence and you can edit the sequence while it's running. The TD-3 uses the original sequencing of the TB-303 which means that note information and time information are separated and if you want to edit the sequence you have to stop the sequencer. Also no overview of the sequence as a whole on the TD-3 but you have to go through the sequence step by step.
The Roland TB-303 plugin also has the revert play mode (sometimes yields real nice results) and the hidden panel with extra sound editing options.

So, I do see benefits to using the Roland plugin (even if you have hardware) . But to each their own.

[zerocrossing]

where to ?? Arturia V Collection 8 ??

They wish their Jupiter 8 emulation sounded half as good as Roland’s.

[Funkybot's Evil Twin]

where to ?? Arturia V Collection 8 ??

They wish their Jupiter 8 emulation sounded half as good as Roland’s.

I have both (Roland and Arturia) and still far prefer the raw sound of Diva's Jupiter-8.

[Robmobius]

They wish their Jupiter 8 emulation sounded half as good as Roland’s.

The arturia is a bit meh in comparison.

[Echoes in the Attic]

where to ?? Arturia V Collection 8 ??

They wish their Jupiter 8 emulation sounded half as good as Roland’s.

Or half as good as Charlatan.

[jbone1313]

Does Zenology have all the sounds from D-50 and XV-5080?

I think it has all the sounds from the XV-5080. There are 896 patches in their PRST_E XV Collection bank. I didn't see a 1:1 match of the 16 XV-5080 drum kits (by patch name).

I don't believe it has the D-50 sounds, or at least, it's not trying to have 1:1 patches like the D-50 plugin itself.

Thanks a lot for the reply.

Do you know if the D-50 will be one of the Zenology expansions? I did not see it listed in any of the materials.

[fmr]

where to ?? Arturia V Collection 8 ??

They wish their Jupiter 8 emulation sounded half as good as Roland’s.

Or half as good as Charlatan.

Raelly? What else? Synth 1? Any synth-edit creation?

Fact is it sounds close enough in many sounds, and doesn't tax the CPU that much (Roland Jupiter-8 sounds great, but is still very CPU heavy).

[Echoes in the Attic]

where to ?? Arturia V Collection 8 ??

They wish their Jupiter 8 emulation sounded half as good as Roland’s.

Or half as good as Charlatan.

What else? Synth 1? Any synth-edit creation?

Not not that I'm aware. Charlatan has a particular vintage Roland type sound.

Fact is it sounds close enough in many sounds, and doesn't tax the CPU that much (Roland Jupiter-8 sounds great, but is still very CPU heavy).

It's ok for some sounds sure. Just saying there is a free alternative which is close enough as well and sounds better.

[fmr]

where to ?? Arturia V Collection 8 ??

They wish their Jupiter 8 emulation sounded half as good as Roland’s.

Or half as good as Charlatan.

What else? Synth 1? Any synth-edit creation?

Not not that I'm aware. Charlatan has a particular vintage Roland type sound.

Fact is it sounds close enough in many sounds, and doesn't tax the CPU that much (Roland Jupiter-8 sounds great, but is still very CPU heavy).

It's ok for some sounds sure. Just saying there is a free alternative which is close enough as well and sounds better.

Charlatan is NOTHING like Jupiter-8. I don't know where did you get that idea.

[Echoes in the Attic]

where to ?? Arturia V Collection 8 ??

They wish their Jupiter 8 emulation sounded half as good as Roland’s.

Or half as good as Charlatan.

What else? Synth 1? Any synth-edit creation?

Not not that I'm aware. Charlatan has a particular vintage Roland type sound.

Fact is it sounds close enough in many sounds, and doesn't tax the CPU that much (Roland Jupiter-8 sounds great, but is still very CPU heavy).

It's ok for some sounds sure. Just saying there is a free alternative which is close enough as well and sounds better.

Charlatan is NOTHING like Jupiter-8. I don't know where did you get that idea.

My point is that the Arturia version isn't that close sonically. You can use synths like OP-X-Pro, Charlatan and others with slightly different architectures that will be as close for "most" sounds and generally sound better.

[gentleclockdivider]

The zenology plugin just like the jup x and jup xm will under certain circumstances (depending on patch ) not behave 100% like an xv 5080 , simply because there are are certain structure routings missing in the zencore .
The hard clip router ( algo 3 - 4 )and a combined ring mod strucuture ..think it's structure 10
It's roland after all , you gotta see through the marketing blurb

There is some marketing BS but as soon as you start digging just a little deeper it's clear that the zen-core is a somewhat simplified implementation, that in turn yields a very nice polyphony. Roland doesn't make a big secret about it.
Also if you use one of the vcf filters or ABM models you'll have a bigger cpuhit eating away some of the polyphony.

I do like the sound of the hardware though so it's all good for me. And the default filters have somewhat of a Daft Punk character to them, so I'm not very inclined to switch to the vcf filters.

I am not exactly sure if you understand what I was saying
The zen core is not really a simplified version of the old pcm structure engine (as foud inthe xv-5080 ) but rather an augmented version with new structure routings that make actual osc sync , x-mod possible + the addition of va filters and va filters .
It just misses certain structures ( harcllippper, and certain ring mod configs etc ..) , certain patches in zen core /vx 5080 mode will sound totally differnet because of these missing structures