An open letter to Native Instruments about Massive X. (Petition included!)

[Danilo Villanova]

If they leave their flagship synth abandoned with such glaring problems it means they truly DGAF. They've lost every ounce of dignity in my book. It's all about the bottom line.

[fisherKing]

If they leave their flagship synth abandoned with such glaring problems it means they truly DGAF. They've lost every ounce of dignity in my book. It's all about the bottom line.

we don't know what's going on with MX, but (hopefully) we'll see an update... eventually

either way, corporations make products to make money, not earn 'dignity'. and the bottom line IS about money, so... no idea what your point is...

[zerocrossing]

tbf, we already had two threads for venting at ni.
nothing said in this one is new, except the cereal stuff, thats new.

8 vitamins and minerals make it part of a complete breakfast. It's new and improved! IT'S GREAT!

[egbert101]

Never underestimate complainers on KVR!

[Milkman]

83 people paying customers have voted for more love for their products so far. NI literally losing money!

at this moment, there are 84 people who own NI software and think it needs 'more love'. only 7 people so far don't own any NI software. how is NI losing money exactly? hmmm

Hmm yes why isnt this thread 100,000 comments long by now, since there are half a million registered user here? This poll is meaningless, since only a fraction... of the half million users... have seen or engaged with it.

I bet NI are laughing at all 90 people, right now, and are so filthy rich already they dont care about such a trifling amount of money. They probably wrap themselves in blankets made of 100 dollar bills as they intentionally ignore KVR. Ha ha ha haaaa your customer-focused campaign is like ants trying to fight a M1 tank ha ha ha haaa! Investors win.

[Yadrichik_Chaya]

83 people paying customers have voted for more love for their products so far. NI literally losing money!

at this moment, there are 84 people who own NI software and think it needs 'more love'. only 7 people so far don't own any NI software. how is NI losing money exactly? hmmm

Hmm yes why isnt this thread 100,000 comments long by now, since there are half a million registered user here? This poll is meaningless, since only a fraction... of the half million users... have seen or engaged with it.

If we start a fundraiser here on KVR and half a million users chip in, we can hire Cambride Analytica - then engagement is guaranteed!

[abstractdolphin]

Massive X is my favourite synth (along with Razor) and I'd love to see it developed more - or just add scroll wheel support (using it on a touchpad without two-finger scroll is a pain). Even the original Massive had that! I can just about tolerate the lack of visual information (you could argue it stops you being 'tricked' by your eyes), the crappy preset browser, the fiddly envelopes, the fact the performer is terrible even though it's such a prominent feature in the synth. The lack of import wavetable feature and the crude midi mapping are big limitations, but these days I appreciate limitations I suppose. Though like scroll-wheel support often does for me I'm sure any one of these issues stopped many from using it as much as they might have.
I understand why from NI's perspective it makes sense to abandon it. Serum has become an industry standard. Ableton's wavetable synth is pretty good. Vital is free and very flexible. Pigments pairs wavetable synths with several other engines. I think Massive X sounds better than all of those but I don't think most agree or care as much. It would take so much work to bring MX up to the same standard as its competitors they probably don't regard it as worth the effort (same with Guitar Rig). Maybe when the well runs dry on selling sample backs they'll reconsider (and I do think that will happen eventually).

[fisherKing]

Massive X is my favourite synth (along with Razor) and I'd love to see it developed more - or just add scroll wheel support (using it on a touchpad without two-finger scroll is a pain). Even the original Massive had that! I can just about tolerate the lack of visual information (you could argue it stops you being 'tricked' by your eyes), the crappy preset browser, the fiddly envelopes, the fact the performer is terrible even though it's such a prominent feature in the synth. The lack of import wavetable feature and the crude midi mapping are big limitations, but these days I appreciate limitations I suppose. Though like scroll-wheel support often does for me I'm sure any one of these issues stopped many from using it as much as they might have.
I understand why from NI's perspective it makes sense to abandon it. Serum has become an industry standard. Ableton's wavetable synth is pretty good. Vital is free and very flexible. Pigments pairs wavetable synths with several other engines. I think Massive X sounds better than all of those but I don't think most agree or care as much. It would take so much work to bring MX up to the same standard as its competitors they probably don't regard it as worth the effort (same with Guitar Rig). Maybe when the well runs dry on selling sample backs they'll reconsider (and I do think that will happen eventually).

right. but who says NI is abandoning MX? all i know is, if/when an update comes, i'm ready. meanwhile, i will continue to use it because i can, and want to. simple.

[Milkman]

83 people paying customers have voted for more love for their products so far. NI literally losing money!

at this moment, there are 84 people who own NI software and think it needs 'more love'. only 7 people so far don't own any NI software. how is NI losing money exactly? hmmm

Hmm yes why isnt this thread 100,000 comments long by now, since there are half a million registered user here? This poll is meaningless, since only a fraction... of the half million users... have seen or engaged with it.

If we start a fundraiser here on KVR and half a million users chip in, we can hire Cambride Analytica - then engagement is guaranteed!

lmao! Yes if we just had a large, for-profit psychological manipulation and fake account generation team with Very Large Datasets siphoned from 2 billion people, we would be CERTAIN to get NI's esteemed attention! That's all it takes! =P

[Lbdunequest]

If they leave their flagship synth abandoned with such glaring problems it means they truly DGAF. They've lost every ounce of dignity in my book. It's all about the bottom line.

Where this nonsense came from? it had an update not long ago.

[PieBerger]

either way, corporations make products to make money, not earn 'dignity'. and the bottom line IS about money, so... no idea what your point is...

While this is true, some corporations are able to manage a bit of both and sadly NI doesn't appear to be one of them. The point, is that as customers we want a little more balance and in the case of Mx most users just want basic stuff, like a browser that recognises user folders and mouse-wheel support, features that have been standard in software for decades. Nothing in software development is easy, but surely basic browser functionality and mouse-wheel support are up there with the more straight-forward features to implement in a plugin and the fact that NI isn't willing or worse, cannot afford to fund the development of relatively "easy" features, to one of its flagship products (it's number 3 on the front page of Komplete synths), that is quite worrying I think.

I'm a K13U owner btw and I knew what I was getting into and I'm not upset or annoyed especially, but I am reluctant to open my wallet again for NI, until they are prepared to show synths like Mx a bit more love and that has to count for something for a money/profit driven company, no?

[Danilo Villanova]

If they leave their flagship synth abandoned with such glaring problems it means they truly DGAF. They've lost every ounce of dignity in my book. It's all about the bottom line.

we don't know what's going on with MX, but (hopefully) we'll see an update... eventually

either way, corporations make products to make money, not earn 'dignity'. and the bottom line IS about money, so... no idea what your point is...

People do all kinds od crazy things that makes them lose their dignity for money. If you don't see my point maybe you have no dignity yourself.

[Danilo Villanova]

If they leave their flagship synth abandoned with such glaring problems it means they truly DGAF. They've lost every ounce of dignity in my book. It's all about the bottom line.

Where this nonsense came from? it had an update not long ago.

Did the glaring problems reported in this thread and others by hundreds of people fet solved? Are you really this dense or are you a paid shill?

[Lbdunequest]

If they leave their flagship synth abandoned with such glaring problems it means they truly DGAF. They've lost every ounce of dignity in my book. It's all about the bottom line.

Where this nonsense came from? it had an update not long ago.

Did the glaring problems reported in this thread and others by hundreds of people fet solved? Are you really this dense or are you a paid shill?

what? i really have no idea what you just wrote.

[fisherKing]

If they leave their flagship synth abandoned with such glaring problems it means they truly DGAF. They've lost every ounce of dignity in my book. It's all about the bottom line.

we don't know what's going on with MX, but (hopefully) we'll see an update... eventually

either way, corporations make products to make money, not earn 'dignity'. and the bottom line IS about money, so... no idea what your point is...

People do all kinds od crazy things that makes them lose their dignity for money. If you don't see my point maybe you have no dignity yourself.

what does dignity have to do with NI & MX? and how did you determine this?

seems like it's just your opinion, not a fact.... but what do i know? i have no dignity...