Dark Lady PM guitar/bass vsti

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Mokafix
KVRian
830 posts since 9 Aug, 2004 from Berlin

Post Sun Oct 08, 2006 9:11 am

...does such a thing exists?

not yet, but I think I'm quite close to it.
here are mp3s from my new guitar engine (completly rebuilt from scratch, for those who already heard heard 2005 demos on my site).

It's quite convincing to me, but I'm biased...

file0.mp3
a sample from my yamaha pacifica 112 guitar (to give you something to compare with)
file1.mp3
emulation of the pacifica 112
file2.mp3
strat like setting, with pick near the neck pickup.
file3.mp3
strat like setting, with pick near the bridge.
file4.mp3
LP like setting, with pick near the neck pickup.
file5.mp3
LP like setting, with pick near the bridge.

Of course, these are only single notes, but I think that's often where synths lack of realism.
If you want to be sure it's not sampled from a real guitar,you can look at waveforms : there's no noise at all, no matter how much you rise the volume.

of course, pick position can be changed (as you can hear on mp3's,), mics can be moved, and each string is independant.

EDIT

2 new demos :
demo1.mp3
demo2.mp3


EDIT

I uploaded 2 videos on youtube showing my PM bass guitar as it is for now.

The first video is more technical.
I just play notes directly on keyboard with mouse and change pick positions to demonstrate the accuracy of the model.
Of course neither the pickups nor the pick positions sounds have anything to do with filters.

> features video <

The second video is a cover of The Breeders "Cannonball" tune.
I choosed it because it uses only E string and has bends.
The drums are addictive drums demo.
there is no FX except guitar suite rednef amp sim.
I edited the midi file only to add some squeaks with mod wheel (triggers the hand), and to add that cool swoope at the beginning (one note, a bend and a modwheel/hand movement)

> Breeders cover video <

Next time, I'll try to feature the 4 strings to show how different they sound.

Not featured in any of those 2 videos:
- muting
- A,D & G strings
- other basses models
- velocity
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mistertoast
KVRAF
3404 posts since 15 Sep, 2002

Post Sun Oct 08, 2006 9:29 am

I've always wanted a synth that plays like this (are there any out there?)...

There's some way to set up the six strings, then you play the strings with midi notes C,D,E,F,G, and A. I want the open strings to sound open--they should "ring" more than the fretted strings.

Does that make any sense? The trick is determining how to "set up" the strings to be played. Maybe if you "play" a E major chord in octave 5, it silently sets up the six strings to be an E major. Then you play the six strings in octave 4 as long as you want. Want a new chord shape? "Play" it in octave 5. They could also be "set-up" with automation.

I always feel like I'm rambling when I explain this idea. What I'm going for is a realistic way to "play" a guitar synth, where notes cut off previous notes on the correct string.

Mokafix
KVRian
830 posts since 9 Aug, 2004 from Berlin

Post Sun Oct 08, 2006 9:35 am

I already found a quite convenient way to let user play, with position hand on screen you can assign to a controller : synth will trigger strings depending on hand position.
The only problem would be the impossibility to make some notes together (E1 and F1 for instance) as they are on the same string, but i guess no one would do that...

anyway, there's another mode for progrmming, where each string listen to midi from channels 1 to 6, wich is th best way to do everything you want, and let guitar controller owners make full use of that device.
mistertoast wrote:I've always wanted a synth that plays like this (are there any out there?)...

There's some way to set up the six strings, then you play the strings with midi notes C,D,E,F,G, and A. I want the open strings to sound open--they should "ring" more than the fretted strings.
good point, and very easy to implement. I'll keep that in mind.

Mokafix
KVRian
830 posts since 9 Aug, 2004 from Berlin

Post Mon Oct 09, 2006 4:09 am

if some people could send me some guitar lower string open E with bridge mic unprocessed attacks it would be really kind. I need to analyse various guitar sounds to make this synth as more versatile as possible.

runagate
KVRAF
10106 posts since 17 Sep, 2004 from Austin, TX

Post Mon Oct 09, 2006 5:33 am

Mokafix wrote:if some people could send me some guitar lower string open E with bridge mic unprocessed attacks it would be really kind. I need to analyse various guitar sounds to make this synth as more versatile as possible.
This certianly seems like a reasonably request.
I loved your previous work.
Guitar players wake up! :)

Mighty Pea
KVRian
932 posts since 21 Mar, 2006

Post Mon Oct 09, 2006 11:55 am

Reasonable request indeed, but i have no other way than mic in to record. Did you record yours with a pre-amp or full amp? i guess it'd be good to keep them sort of the same in terms of recording technique. Is straight into my mic-in good enough, despite the high level of noise you'll get?
edit: due to my lack of internet on my own pc, if i don't post the samples within two days, i probably forgot (most likely because the thread wasn't at the top anymore), so could someone poke me by means of pm? :D
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Mokafix
KVRian
830 posts since 9 Aug, 2004 from Berlin

Post Mon Oct 09, 2006 12:14 pm

No amp!
I want direct input only !
and the closer the pickup to the bridge, the better (maybe I made a mistake because here in france we call pickups mics...)
I prefer the sound from bridge pickup, as it's easier for me to analyse. I already have the sound of my strat-like yamaha. I'd like a gibson, a telecaster, or any other electric guitar E1 sound.

thanks !

Mokafix
KVRian
830 posts since 9 Aug, 2004 from Berlin

Post Tue Oct 10, 2006 12:22 pm

I just made this today, before moving to China (wich means my request for guitar E1 attacks is over) :
It's very short, I know...

Guitar demo.mp3

Guitar is a "strat" patch.
bass is also "made with synthedit" (older than the guitar, so not up to date at all in terms of sound engine)

I wanna know : do you think i can put this demo on the web, as it's only covers, no original tracks?
If no, i'll also remove it from here, so hurry up! :D
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Genetic_Junk
KVRAF
2543 posts since 22 Dec, 2004

Post Tue Oct 10, 2006 12:38 pm

I'll get you some DI samples. All you want is the attack sound of the bridge pickup?

Mokafix
KVRian
830 posts since 9 Aug, 2004 from Berlin

Post Tue Oct 10, 2006 12:49 pm

mmmhhh...
I won't have time to work on that before a long time, so I don't need those samples anymore...
maybe later.
if you post some, i'll try to get them anyway. thanks.

griels
jaaathmaster
2690 posts since 1 Jun, 2001 from Marlow, S. Bucks, UK

Post Tue Oct 10, 2006 12:56 pm

Mokafix wrote: Guitar demo.mp3
:o

The second section is amazing :cool:

Is this based on the synth you did those excellent slide guitar demos with last year?

This is definitely something for frustrated keyboard-guitarists to look forward to!
Music with dinner is an insult both to the cook and the violinist.

Genetic_Junk
KVRAF
2543 posts since 22 Dec, 2004

Post Tue Oct 10, 2006 1:10 pm

Well I was planning on doing them anyway, so you'll still be able to grab them.

Mokafix
KVRian
830 posts since 9 Aug, 2004 from Berlin

Post Wed Oct 11, 2006 1:30 am

Here is another demo i did using wonderfull midi files by Paul Kucharski you can find on his website. It seems he played them with a midi guitar, as each string got its own midi track, so i could use my plugin's multichannels mode :

Jazzmix.mp3

I've left the guitar dry, because anything can sound guitarish through distortion and FXs.
compare this to other guitar synths dry sound ;-)

you can try to reamp them.

the 3 sections where made with slightly different pick and pickups positions, though i could not make too fancy settings, as the 3 parts are in the same music style, and they needed a "round" sound, with pick and pickups not too close to the bridge...
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Mokafix
KVRian
830 posts since 9 Aug, 2004 from Berlin

Post Mon Oct 16, 2006 3:53 pm

i'm still interested in those guitar dry attacks. I remind you what I need :

- Direct input sounds only
- 1 active pickup only (bridge pickup)
- natural pick position, not too close to the neck (same for each string)
- and of course the name of the guitar

It would be really helpful, as I don't have access to many guitars, and it's very hard - if not impossible - to find dry guitar soundfonts over the internet.

Each contribution will be rewarded with a kiss (a french one, of course), and you will be able to say to your children in a few years "I was a part of it".

Thanks in advance

brok landers
KVRAF
6116 posts since 26 Sep, 2003 from right here, as you can see ...

Post Mon Oct 16, 2006 4:12 pm

mokafix, this is nice!
what i miss it the scraping emulation on the attack, that occours randomly when the finger/fingernail doesnt pluck the string accurately ... and the neck movements from the chordgrabbing hand, when sliding to another chord ...
but really nice, you're on the right way!
when is it to be released?
regards,
brok landers
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