Cubase & Ableton DAC

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arielgraff
KVRist
56 posts since 6 May, 2009

Post Wed Oct 28, 2009 8:06 pm

Hello people,

Thank you very much for you help. Could someone please explain this to me:

Does DAW DAC (Digital to Analog Converter) differ in Cubase from Ableton and is of better quality?

I find un-mixed material to sound cleaner and clearer in Cubase versus Ableton. Am I just biased? I do find Ableton's workflow to be much better than Cubase and especially under loop/midi circumstances.

Using 32bit Float /44.1 in Cubase 5 versus High Quality setting in Ableton / 44.1 in Ableton via M-Audio Profire 610.


I am working mostly with Mutteki Vengeance Samples and Native Instruments Battery.

Thank you for your responses!
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thecontrolcentre
KVRAF
27496 posts since 27 Jul, 2005 from the wilds of wanny

Post Wed Oct 28, 2009 8:09 pm

It's pointless starting another thread asking the same thing ...

arielgraff
KVRist
56 posts since 6 May, 2009

Post Wed Oct 28, 2009 8:11 pm

thecontrolcentre wrote:It's pointless starting another thread asking the same thing ...
Sorry control, this Forum is definitely a better suit for my question, I will delete the other thread upon ability.
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proletkult
KVRian
601 posts since 5 Mar, 2005 from A bordello in Moscow

Post Thu Oct 29, 2009 1:59 am

I'm no expert and I haven't seen your other thread(why did you do that?) but I stopped using Ableton Live a little while ago because I came to the same conclusion you have about the sound quality. Besides, C5 has everything I need. I've also read many threads rating the "engine" inside Cubase and Logic as being better than Ableton.

The workflow is very good, though. Have you tried writing with Ableton and transferring files to Cubase(though I'm not sure how much better this will be than just working in Live)?

Josmoker
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763 posts since 30 Nov, 2000 from Vienna, Austria

Post Thu Oct 29, 2009 2:24 am

DAC definitely does not - they both use what you have in your DAW. I don't know which bit depth Ableton uses in High Quality mode, apart from that they should not differ, though.
Could be some hidden setting, though...
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computercontrolled
KVRist
260 posts since 29 Nov, 2005

Post Thu Oct 29, 2009 7:16 am

I switched from cubase sx 3 to live beacause of the workflow., i recentrly tried cubase 5 and i was blown away by the sound quality, crital clear, while ableton its fat!!! but i love live's workflow i tried to make a track in cubase 5 and i got so bored 10 after, i know it has tons of new features but i dont need em really.

At the end of the day i think its about the workflow at least for me.

arielgraff
KVRist
56 posts since 6 May, 2009

Post Fri Oct 30, 2009 6:34 am

Thank you for all the great input people!

Can we have some more inputs on this topic especially from experts! So does the "engine" really make the difference?

Ableton surely has a superior workflow but I'm more concerned with quality than workflow.

Thanks and I am looking forward to hearing your input!
Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the universe. - Albert Einstein

dgkenney
KVRian
1303 posts since 9 Oct, 2003 from California

Post Fri Oct 30, 2009 7:23 am

arielgraff wrote: Does DAW DAC (Digital to Analog Converter) differ in Cubase from Ableton and is of better quality?
They are identical since neither one exists.

Dan
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steffensen
KVRian
1137 posts since 29 Sep, 2003 from Karlshamn, Sweden

Post Fri Oct 30, 2009 7:29 am

dgkenney wrote: They are identical since neither one exists.

Dan

What he said.

grymmjack
KVRAF
8508 posts since 7 Apr, 2003

Post Fri Oct 30, 2009 7:35 am

hehe

i think so much of this is placebo.

OP: post two identical mixes made with each so we can hear what you are hearing.

robogone
KVRAF
21375 posts since 26 Jul, 2005 from Gone

Post Fri Oct 30, 2009 7:35 am

Are we really going over this again? Shouldn't someone contact Villalobos so he can give him opinion on the 'sound engine' or whatever it's being called now?

arielgraff
KVRist
56 posts since 6 May, 2009

Post Fri Oct 30, 2009 7:40 am

Ok, I understand from what just has been said that DAWs sound identical given the same bit depth and sample rate and same VSTs or same samples.

Is that the bottom line? Forget the whole "engine" question, are you all agreeing that "difference" in clarity is bullshit?
Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the universe. - Albert Einstein

robogone
KVRAF
21375 posts since 26 Jul, 2005 from Gone

Post Fri Oct 30, 2009 7:48 am

arielgraff wrote:Is that the bottom line? Forget the whole "engine" question, are you all agreeing that "difference" in clarity is bullshit?
Pretty much. It seems to be fashionable to hate on a particular DAW because of its 'engine' or the quality of its DAC or ADC or whatever this month's flavor is.

Let me ask you this - did you notice any difference before anyone told you there was any difference?

arielgraff
KVRist
56 posts since 6 May, 2009

Post Fri Oct 30, 2009 7:57 am

To be honest nobody has told me one was better. I purchased both softwares last summer and found the "difference" myself. I am almost willing to bet it's some setting I am overlooking. However I am using same bit depth and sample rate with ASIO.
Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the universe. - Albert Einstein

computercontrolled
KVRist
260 posts since 29 Nov, 2005

Post Fri Oct 30, 2009 7:59 am

I think quality can misunerstood, theres no point (for me at least) to talk about quality uf ur using m-audio stuff por example, in a home/room studio, of course u can get amazing results.what im trying to say is that i u really want quality go buy an RME soundcard,adam monitors,uad card,acoustic treated room etc....i forgot study some sound engineering course.

perhaps u already knew that...at the end of the day software by itself wont male to much difference if u know how to use ur tools i bet u can make quality stuff in ableton,logic,cubase,sonar etc....

For me workflow is the most important matter, i was bored to death making music in cubase, when i switched to live muy tracks sounded better, not beacause of live, because i was feeling more comfortable and that was reflected in my tracks.

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