PayPal and the GIFT option for international users (19 EU / 6 International countries atm)

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fluffy_little_something
Banned
12915 posts since 5 Jun, 2012

Post Thu Nov 09, 2017 8:49 am

Received a long mail from PP with a link to an even longer update on their terms and conditions.
I didn't and won't read everything, but I noticed the big differences in the fees they charge for payments between certain countries. Payments to Germany are particularly expensive, while those to Japan are the cheapest. Even within the EU there are big differences, odd...

nino213
KVRer
14 posts since 24 Feb, 2012

Post Sun Jan 14, 2018 7:21 am

Quick question, how can i be assured as a seller that I won't be subjected to fraud if someone receives a license, but then wants their money back and uses paypals chargeback?

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Dostoyevsky
KVRist
123 posts since 2 Oct, 2014 from The Black Forest

Post Wed Jan 31, 2018 12:13 pm

nino213 wrote:Quick question, how can i be assured as a seller that I won't be subjected to fraud if someone receives a license, but then wants their money back and uses paypals chargeback?
You can't be. That's the risk you have to take.

chk071
KVRAF
24951 posts since 11 Apr, 2010 from Germany

Post Wed Jan 31, 2018 12:16 pm

On the other hand, you have either the emails, or you can ask the company for proof about the license transfer. It's not like you automatically lose, if you're on the seller side.

See here for details: https://www.paypal.com/us/selfhelp/arti ... ne-faq2036
Plugins and a DAW. On a operating system. Which runs on a computer.

mindbeet
KVRist
192 posts since 4 Mar, 2011

Post Fri Jun 29, 2018 7:40 pm

Save at least 5% by letting your card provider or bank handle the currency exchange instead of Paypal.

yohanandz
KVRer
18 posts since 19 Nov, 2018

Post Mon Nov 19, 2018 8:17 am

the card provider doing the conversion turns out cheaper than paypals conversion

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VariKusBrainZ
KVRAF
9209 posts since 16 Dec, 2002

Post Sun Nov 25, 2018 7:09 am

nino213 wrote:
Sun Jan 14, 2018 7:21 am
Quick question, how can i be assured as a seller that I won't be subjected to fraud if someone receives a license, but then wants their money back and uses paypals chargeback?
Paypal doesn't provide Seller protection if it's a digital product, also protection is discretionary, they are not obligated to pay anyone. So none of us are protected unless shipping a physical tracked product and that's not guaranteed.

Make sure the buyer includes details of what they are buying in the Paypal payment notes section, or send them an invoice. If they want the details sent to a different email address to the one in the Paypal payment send emails to both and CC the developer.

Send the serials etc via email, not KVR PM and copy in the company who's product youre selling.
(Eg For xlnaudio I changed the account details to the buyer's name and email. I emailed xlnaudio to let them know, they were fine with this and confirmed it had gone through Ok and of course were now aware of the transfer.
I sold some unregistered serials for Sonible, emailed the buyer the serials with details of the sale and entire email thread, which included the Paypal payment receipt and CC'd Sonible. They were therefore aware and confirmed by email.)

ILok transfers generate an email to the Transferring party detailing what has been transferred.

All evidence but who knows if Paypal would act on any of it.
Amazon: why not use an alternative

DawnInEden
KVRist
80 posts since 19 Oct, 2018

Post Wed Mar 06, 2019 8:02 am

I bought a plugin license a few month ago, via PayPal. The plugin was completely bogus and the seller / manufacturer woudn't answer, so I started a case in PayPal and got my money back. So even for virtual products, it works or worked for me.

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Michael L
KVRAF
3237 posts since 25 Jan, 2014 from The End of The World as We Knowit

Post Wed Jul 31, 2019 2:02 am

PayPal just announced they are changing the currency conversion fee to 4% for converting all currencies (including US and Canadian dollars) when you pay for goods or services.
MuLab goes with The Flow...

fairlyclose
KVRian
843 posts since 4 Jul, 2019

Post Fri Nov 08, 2019 9:47 pm

I just used transferwise to pay for something and it was pretty painless and certainly they preferred it as it is much cheaper fee-wise. Has anyone used transferwise much like paypal ie sending and recieiving money?

Segon
KVRer
13 posts since 18 Feb, 2020

Post Sat Aug 01, 2020 3:34 am

I recommend Transferwise as well. They have the lowest conversion fees. It's transparent, bank to bank, reliable. Paypal fees policy is outdated.

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