Are good, free fx dead?

VST, AU, etc. plug-in Virtual Effects discussion
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osiris
KVRAF
7136 posts since 20 Nov, 2003 from Lost and Spaced

Post Tue Aug 16, 2011 5:06 am

Been noticing the dearth of any new Synthedit or other free fx plugins lately. Wondering what's up with that?
I know I stopped using SE when the new version that couldn't load any old stuff you made came out.
IMO, I also think Steinberg killed a lot of that(and people who hang around here know what I'm talking about)
There used to be this flurry of creative, pluggys that seem to have dried up.
Discuss:

lfm
KVRAF
4954 posts since 22 Jan, 2005 from Sweden

Post Tue Aug 16, 2011 5:45 am

Could be if Steinberg felt this is not a free SDK to distribute for other than ready-to-use stuff. It would be redistribution and require royalty or something.

But as far as I know BONES killer synths are still free and available.

What about the competitor to SE, was it musicmaker or?

Crackbaby
KVRAF
2973 posts since 10 Sep, 2003 from Karlskoga, Stockholm, Sweden

Post Tue Aug 16, 2011 5:49 am

lfm wrote:Could be if Steinberg felt this is not a free SDK to distribute for other than ready-to-use stuff. It would be redistribution and require royalty or something.

But as far as I know BONES killer synths are still free and available.

What about the competitor to SE, was it musicmaker or?
Synthmaker :)
:hug:

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nix808
KVRAF
3703 posts since 22 Jul, 2006 from Tasmania, Australia

Post Tue Aug 16, 2011 5:52 am

SynthMaker,
now there's Usine tailing SE & SM.
Here is one of my SM fx-
http://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewtopic ... 2&start=15
It's a pitch shifter with 3000 samples delay
& another->
http://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewtopic ... er#4528981
An auto-filter
Cheers

samsam
KVRAF
2161 posts since 9 Dec, 2008

Post Tue Aug 16, 2011 6:25 am

As a Mac user, people not using Synth Edit is fine by me.

As for free FX - not dead.

http://dsp.sonimus.com/products/soneq/

james0tucson
KVRAF
4222 posts since 23 Feb, 2004 from Tucson Arizona USA

Post Tue Aug 16, 2011 7:32 am

osiris wrote:Been noticing the dearth of any new Synthedit or other free fx plugins lately. Wondering what's up with that?
I know I stopped using SE when the new version that couldn't load any old stuff you made came out.
IMO, I also think Steinberg killed a lot of that(and people who hang around here know what I'm talking about)
There used to be this flurry of creative, pluggys that seem to have dried up.
Discuss:

The flurry quickly filled just about every niche that anyone could think of?

The hardest part of bringing something new to the table is thinking up something that hasn't been done already.

Can you think of anything that hasn't been done, or done half a dozen times?

I wish I could, but then, if I could, I would probably do it in LADSPA and not VST, and the implementation would be truly free, not just free beer.

But I don't think the hard part is the programming and packaging. I think the hard parts are the concept, and the tribal knowledge of DSP mechanics.

Original concepts seem to come to others pretty easily. I'm quite envious of them.

S-N-S
KVRAF
2494 posts since 2 Jan, 2008 from denmark

Post Tue Aug 16, 2011 9:00 am

i just got usine pro 5,7 im quite excited with the feature to export as vst
alot if interesting stuff could be made in usine

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osiris
KVRAF
7136 posts since 20 Nov, 2003 from Lost and Spaced

Post Tue Aug 16, 2011 9:01 am

Good point.

Neon Breath
KVRAF
3141 posts since 15 Sep, 2010

Post Tue Aug 16, 2011 9:59 am

james0tucson wrote:

The hardest part of bringing something new to the table is thinking up something that hasn't been done already.

Can you think of anything that hasn't been done, or done half a dozen times?
Interesting input. I really think this is a part of the anwser. Compressors, limiters, EQ's, reverbs & delays, it's seriously flooded.
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KVRAF
1888 posts since 13 Aug, 2011 from Berlin

Post Tue Aug 16, 2011 11:10 am

Neon Breath wrote:Interesting input. I really think this is a part of the anwser. Compressors, limiters, EQ's, reverbs & delays, it's seriously flooded.
Yes. When there was nothing available the masses drooled over SOME free plugins. Now somebody has to bring quality to make the masses excited. Variety of Sound and Sonimus are good examples.

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4damind
KVRAF
4733 posts since 17 Aug, 2004 from Berlin, Germany

Post Tue Aug 16, 2011 11:21 am

I cannot remember about a lot of very good SE/SM plug-ins. Most of them had no new ideas or average quality. Many users thinking it's crap only if reading "made with SE/SM".

I remember only to some very good free plug-ins like the bionic-delay (not sure if it was SE/SM) and there was a very crazy plug-in some years ago (Delay Lama) used in some productions.

There are of course some very cheap or free plug-ins with a good reputation like from DDMF or Christian Budde, Kjaerhus etc. But this plug-ins are all real coded plug-ins and the guys behind this are well known for his DSP knowledge.
A problem is also if this plug-ins are not available for Mac. Yes, PC is the most used platform but there are also a lot of professional musicians/producers using Macs.

james0tucson
KVRAF
4222 posts since 23 Feb, 2004 from Tucson Arizona USA

Post Tue Aug 16, 2011 11:40 am

4damind wrote:I cannot remember about a lot of very good SE/SM plug-ins. Most of them had no new ideas or average quality. Many users thinking it's crap only if reading "made with SE/SM".
Some SE (VSTi's at least) do a lot for the definition of "average quality"
I remember only to some very good free plug-ins like the bionic-delay (not sure if it was SE/SM) and there was a very crazy plug-in some years ago (Delay Lama) used in some productions.
I don't know how reasonable it is to use a novelty plugin like Delay Lama as an example of anything except novelty plugins.
There are of course some very cheap or free plug-ins with a good reputation like from DDMF or Christian Budde, Kjaerhus etc.
There is not Kjaerhus, FYI. I have no idea what happened to them, but they are gone.


I don't know why people refer to the glut of free VST's in the past tense either. This is KVR. By and large, every free VST plugin that's ever been available is still available, in the present tense, so why talk about them as if they have expired?

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4damind
KVRAF
4733 posts since 17 Aug, 2004 from Berlin, Germany

Post Tue Aug 16, 2011 12:01 pm

james0tucson wrote:I don't know how reasonable it is to use a novelty plugin like Delay Lama as an example of anything except novelty plugins.
There are some plug-ins where it was completely uninteresting if free, SM/SE. People had much interest for this plug-ins because they are completely different then others. This singing monk was some of this plug-ins.
Today I cannot see much interesting free plug-ins. Many copies of always existing commercial plug-ins. More interested for starters with no budget.
(I remember to this Antress SE plug-ins with the ripped GUI from the UAD.)
There is not Kjaerhus, FYI. I have no idea what happened to them, but they are gone.
This was more an example of some good free plug-ins from the past. Yes, Kjaerhus is gone.

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1612 posts since 18 Feb, 2011 from Salt Lake City, Utah

Post Tue Aug 16, 2011 12:55 pm

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Sir Elliot
KVRist
144 posts since 3 Mar, 2010 from New York

Post Tue Aug 16, 2011 12:59 pm

Hi.

There is lots of new free plug-ins being offered on a week-to-week basis all over the Internet.

However, many are not featured on KVR.

In the Synthmaker camp, there is always some new developer asking questions. But, they tend to build things based on their own needs. Keep in mind, not every VST developer is willing to giveaway free plug-ins. Whether he or she uses Synthmaker, Sythedit or C++ it is kindness of one’s heart which makes the person offer a free plug-in.

Developers rarely lose creativity since they are very technical. However, the bulk of the market is generally intimated by complexity. The developer will find him or herself limited to offer simplistic plug-ins to the public. The end result is a lot of repetitive vsts being offered again and, again.


Cheers!
Sir Elliot

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