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JamOrigin · Post by **JamOrigin** » Wed Jan 30, 2013 10:03 pm

MIDI Guitar 0.6.0 beta is here! (pre-release for KVR)

WHAT'S NEW:

General Recognition Improvements
Fever spurious hits.
Snappier note-off.

Experimental Pitch Bend support
Mono bends only for now, but it automatically switch between perfect tuned chords and expressive bend leads.

Basic Velocity Control

MIDI Through
All midi sent to MIDI Guitar is now passed through to internal hosted instruments and also to the MIDI output. This makes it possible to use midi expression pedals, i.e. sustain.

Improved documentation and help section
Linked to the the new website:
http://www.jamorigin.com/midi-guitar/Windows-Mac.

Other improvements
Instrument Program Selector
New Console log section displays warnings in case of problems
Test piano is now stereo and full 88 keys
Pitch Prediction Level 3 is now default
Fixed problem for some interfaces not running at 44.1Khz samplerate
Fixed bug where some synths would not respond (i.e. Diva).
Fixed bug where some synth would only output one channel
Fixed unneccesary many note off messages.
Fixed not saving channel settings
Fixed modified factory settings not saved
Mac download can now unzip with OSX default uncompression utility

HOW TO DOWNLOAD:

http://www.jamorigin.com/midi-guitar/MI ... .0-Win.zip
http://www.jamorigin.com/midi-guitar/MI ... .0-Mac.zip

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tboneUS · Post by **tboneUS** » Thu Jan 31, 2013 5:33 am

JamOrigin wrote:MIDI Guitar 0.6.0 beta is here! (pre-release for KVR)

WHAT'S NEW:

General Recognition Improvements
Fever spurious hits.
Snappier note-off.

Experimental Pitch Bend support
Mono bends only for now, but it automatically switch between perfect tuned chords and expressive bend leads.

Basic Velocity Control

MIDI Through
All midi sent to MIDI Guitar is now passed through to internal hosted instruments and also to the MIDI output. This makes it possible to use midi expression pedals, i.e. sustain.

Improved documentation and help section
Linked to the the new website:
http://www.jamorigin.com/midi-guitar/Windows-Mac.

Other improvements
Instrument Program Selector
New Console log section displays warnings in case of problems
Test piano is now stereo and full 88 keys
Pitch Prediction Level 3 is now default
Fixed problem for some interfaces not running at 44.1Khz samplerate
Fixed bug where some synths would not respond (i.e. Diva).
Fixed bug where some synth would only output one channel
Fixed unneccesary many note off messages.
Fixed not saving channel settings
Fixed modified factory settings not saved
Mac download can now unzip with OSX default uncompression utility

HOW TO DOWNLOAD:

http://www.jamorigin.com/midi-guitar/MI ... .0-Win.zip
http://www.jamorigin.com/midi-guitar/MI ... .0-Mac.zip

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Tried the new Beta briefly tonight but found a couple of issues:
1. I tried unpacking the zip file (for Mac) using Archive Utility which is my default app on snow lepord but received Error 1 - Operation not permitted
Unpacked using The Unarchiver worked but I noticed there was no vst plugin file only an au component.

2. Not sure if anyone else is having any issues but I cannot get Live 8.34 to recognize the new component. I have currently installed live 9 beta though so it would be helpful to know if anyone else is having the same issue or if it is my machine setup. I did not try any other hosts today.

On the plus side, I ran the standalone version of 0.6 and the response seems very good. I did not have chance to test anything else such as the pitchbend. Also the tests so far on previous betas have been the vst plugin version within live so it would be unfair to compare unless it was a similar setup.

Anyway great work guys

glops · Post by **glops** » Thu Jan 31, 2013 5:58 am

Thanks for the new version, will try to make some tests this week-end !
And how to change the Piano to another instrument ?

JamOrigin · Post by **JamOrigin** » Thu Jan 31, 2013 7:49 am

tboneUS wrote: Tried the new Beta briefly tonight but found a couple of issues:
1. I tried unpacking the zip file (for Mac) using Archive Utility which is my default app on snow lepord but received Error 1 - Operation not permitted
Unpacked using The Unarchiver worked but I noticed there was no vst plugin file only an au component.

2. Not sure if anyone else is having any issues but I cannot get Live 8.34 to recognize the new component. I have currently installed live 9 beta though so it would be helpful to know if anyone else is having the same issue or if it is my machine setup. I did not try any other hosts today.

On the plus side, I ran the standalone version of 0.6 and the response seems very good. I did not have chance to test anything else such as the pitchbend. Also the tests so far on previous betas have been the vst plugin version within live so it would be unfair to compare unless it was a similar setup.

Anyway great work guys

Thanks for the feedback.

A new Mac zip has been uploaded that should unpack correctly. What version of Mac OS X are you using?

We will look into the issue with Ableton Live.

Ainsoph · Post by **Ainsoph** » Thu Jan 31, 2013 8:28 pm

Hi !
Would like to comment new 0.6.0 BETA (using Windows 8, Abelton Live,
and Omnisphere for testing ) :

- soft pitch bends in any range ( same settings as in softsynth ) results nicely
with very gentle bends , vibrato like , but a little more enhanced/intesive bends of any softsynth's "plucked string instrument"s (up and down) make unpleasant whole tone shifts

-also slidings(or hammer-ons or pull-offs) produce whole tones much heard , should be made more smooth transitions if possible

Otherwise you are doing surprisingly amazing job with software !

Greetings !

Daggilarr · Post by **Daggilarr** » Thu Jan 31, 2013 9:17 pm

I found the pitch bends to work well achieving smooth transitions, but this was a very brief test. I have yet to give this release a full work out

Ainsoph · Post by **Ainsoph** » Thu Jan 31, 2013 9:25 pm

Daggilarr wrote:I found the pitch bends to work well achieving smooth transitions, but this was a very brief test. I have yet to give this release a full work out

yes with slow attack sounds but try Plucked string instrument , such as nylon guitar sound of soft-synth or something similar , there are problems with bends and slides as i mentioned at my first comment

JamOrigin · Post by **JamOrigin** » Thu Jan 31, 2013 9:40 pm

Ainsoph wrote:
Daggilarr wrote:I found the pitch bends to work well achieving smooth transitions, but this was a very brief test. I have yet to give this release a full work out
yes with slow attack sounds but try Plucked string instrument , such as nylon guitar or something , there are problems with bends and slides as i mentioned at my first comment

We are aware of note shifts that can occur in agressive bends, and will look into that.

Please dont confuse this with simulating legato playing with pitch bend commands - we did not try to implement this yet. When we get to it we probably need to make an option to switch between legato and glissando (slides/hammers/pull-offs) - the latter where MIDI Guitar excels.

robogone · Post by **robogone** » Thu Jan 31, 2013 9:44 pm

I haven't tried this new beta yet, but when I did try it for an hour with the last version I had problems trying to get it to play right with tremolo picking - it couldn't pick up every note I played, even when slightly dampening the strings.

Has that improved or is it something to be worked on? I'm not talking about excessively fast tremolo picking, even just at a moderate tempo.

JamOrigin · Post by **JamOrigin** » Thu Jan 31, 2013 9:57 pm

robojam wrote:I haven't tried this new beta yet, but when I did try it for an hour with the last version I had problems trying to get it to play right with tremolo picking - it couldn't pick up every note I played, even when slightly dampening the strings.

Has that improved or is it something to be worked on? I'm not talking about excessively fast tremolo picking, even just at a moderate tempo.

It's not a problem we hear often. I dont recall ever had problems tremolo picking any string as fast as I can. Please try the new version (its just two clicks now), be sure you are in tune and turn up sensitivity at pitch prediction 3.

robogone · Post by **robogone** » Thu Jan 31, 2013 10:07 pm

OK will try that. Thanks

derivative · Post by **derivative** » Fri Feb 01, 2013 4:49 am

i have noticed that i get much lower latency (and higher accuracy) when i'm using the standalone version (beta 0.6.0) in combination with loopMIDI connected to my sequencer software which in my case makes the difference of MIDI Guitar being usable or not. using the vst plugin didn't do the trick.

*update*
couldn't reproduce this phenomenon a few days later although there still seems to be a slight difference between the vst plugin and the standalone version - which is understandable

tboneUS · Post by **tboneUS** » Fri Feb 01, 2013 5:40 am

JamOrigin wrote:
A new Mac zip has been uploaded that should unpack correctly. What version of Mac OS X are you using?

We will look into the issue with Ableton Live.

The new zip worked fine. To clarify, I am running 10.6.8 and it was the au version of the plugin that was not recognized. The new file you uploaded included the vst plugin (32 bit tried) and loaded today' in live 8.4.2 without any problems

I have to try it over the weekend but I appeared to get a lot more false triggers on this version from harmonics rather than the actual note played even when triggering from a single string monophonicly from an individual strings hex pickups output. Also, I do have to confirm but when restricting the response to a single note ( by setting the sensitivity to on and 0 aft the required notes and 0 for the last note, effectively making the plugin ignore all but one note) I still appeared to get harmonics triggering falsely. I could restrict this effect in the last version. As I say I will confirm this weekend.

One technique I have used in the past to restrict harmonics false triggering was to filter outgoing midi notes (in a kontakt script) when a harmonic was received in a shorter time after the original note than would be possible to physicly play on a real instrument. In my cases I am strumming 1/8th notes so physicly if a harmonic is received for example 1/32nd note after the original it must be a false positive. Maybe some logical filtering could be added to prevent obvious triggers when strumming? Of course this technique could not be used from a polyphonic source as strumming triggeres notes from adjacent strings much quicker than 1/8th but helps when trigging monophonicly from a hex pickup.

Daggilarr · Post by **Daggilarr** » Fri Feb 01, 2013 9:20 am

Ainsoph wrote:
Daggilarr wrote:I found the pitch bends to work well achieving smooth transitions, but this was a very brief test. I have yet to give this release a full work out
yes with slow attack sounds but try Plucked string instrument , such as nylon guitar sound of soft-synth or something similar , there are problems with bends and slides as i mentioned at my first comment

Did a couple of quick experiments this morning and found no problems with bends when triggering software instruments that allow me to set the pitch bend range, so for example the nylon guitar in Kontakts factory library/band/guitar, no problem. In fact I found any instrument that had a pitch bend setting allowed a smooth bend, even piano!

I conclude from this that the bend information is getting to the software instrument from Midi Guitar and many problems can be resolved within the individual instruments settings.

My first guitar synth kit was a roland GR20 which had no pitch bend control at all, it was set within the software and matched to the internal sounds, when I tried to use it to trigger sounds in my computer (which it did) the biggest problem was lack of ability to 'match' pitch bend settings to the software instrument I was triggering. This is why I moved on to the Axon.

Midi Guitar now has this function (albeit monophonic for now)

I did try another nylon guitar (In Kontakt) that did not have a pitch bend setting on the front panel, but did find that I could add this if I drilled down into the settings, it was, however, glitchy.

As a general rule I have always been advised to match the the PB settings on the Synth Module (in this case Midi Guitar) with whatever software instrument I am controlling.

So far So good.

AdmiralQuality · Post by **AdmiralQuality** » Fri Feb 01, 2013 1:17 pm

Daggilarr wrote: My first guitar synth kit was a roland GR20 which had no pitch bend control at all, it was set within the software and matched to the internal sounds, when I tried to use it to trigger sounds in my computer (which it did) the biggest problem was lack of ability to 'match' pitch bend settings to the software instrument I was triggering.

I believe the Roland is hard wired to +/- 12 semitones. (1 octave). Just set your instrument to that and it should match perfectly.

This is why I moved on to the Axon.

Midi Guitar now has this function (albeit monophonic for now)

I did try another nylon guitar (In Kontakt) that did not have a pitch bend setting on the front panel, but did find that I could add this if I drilled down into the settings, it was, however, glitchy.

As a general rule I have always been advised to match the the PB settings on the Synth Module (in this case Midi Guitar) with whatever software instrument I am controlling.

Of course. MIDI pitch bend is a relative control, not absolute. So it only can tell the instrument how much of its bend range to bend, not how far that range is. So any solution, whether a hardware or software converter, is going to need the user to make sure the instrument and the converter agree on the pitch bend range.

(Haven't had a chance to try the new MIDIGuitar update yet but hope to get to it shortly.)

Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI VST/AU "MIDI Guitar"- BETA TEST