KVR Audio

flakes2 · Post by **flakes2** » Wed Dec 12, 2012 10:39 am

[quote="hakey"][quote="flakes2"][quote]Rayblaster cannot accurately emulate an analog filter. Not even close.[/quote]

wrong. Watch the video on their website. At 1:45 there is an analog sound.
http://www.tone2.com/html/rayblaster_sy ... st_au.html[/quote]

there is an analog sound! How could anyone argue with that? :lol:[/quote]

Indeed. The video and the turorial patch in the demo called 'fake annalog filter' clearly proof that it is possible to mimic an analog filter with rayblaster. So I also don't understand why people need to argue here.

But i guees they NEED to arggue because this is kvr.

hakey · Post by **hakey** » Wed Dec 12, 2012 10:42 am

Ingonator wrote:Still anyone seem to ignore it (even after some weeks) but here it is again:

Ingonator wrote: Finally i have posted that PDF with Signal Analyzer sceenshots of a Resonant Saurus waveform while turning the Formant knob in Rayblaster:
https://dl.dropbox.com/u/53230726/Raybl ... es%201.pdf

A screenshot from Saurus for comparison:
https://dl.dropbox.com/u/53230726/Sauru ... er%201.png

I guess they've been ignored because they fail to prove the "authentically reproducing" claim that's the real bone of contention here.

Ingonator · Post by **Ingonator** » Wed Dec 12, 2012 10:50 am

hakey wrote:
Ingonator wrote:Still anyone seem to ignore it (even after some weeks) but here it is again:

Ingonator wrote: Finally i have posted that PDF with Signal Analyzer sceenshots of a Resonant Saurus waveform while turning the Formant knob in Rayblaster:
https://dl.dropbox.com/u/53230726/Raybl ... es%201.pdf

A screenshot from Saurus for comparison:
https://dl.dropbox.com/u/53230726/Sauru ... er%201.png
I guess they've been ignored because they fail to prove the "authentically reproducing" claim that's the real bone of contention here.

I just recorded a resonance sweep with the same Saurus waveform in Rayblaster.
Just a single oscillator, no unison and no FXs.

audio demo:
https://dl.dropbox.com/u/53230726/RayBl ... t%2001.mp3

screenshot of the preset (Open in new window for bigger size):

waveform:
https://dl.dropbox.com/u/53230726/Sauru ... Reso_3.zip

screenshot of the waveform (Open in new window for bigger size):

a comparable non-rseonant waveform of the same filter:

UPDATE:
So finally i tried to do the same audio demo in Saurus. I have even tried to use more or less the same parameter values as in RAyblaster so the result could maybe differ a bit which doesn't change the basic result.

Saurus audio demo:
https://dl.dropbox.com/u/53230726/Sauru ... t%2001.mp3

Saurus screenshot with the preset:

The comparison of both demos shows both the limits but also the similarities of the replicated and the original synth. There seems to be a little backoround noise or aliasing at the lowest frequency (around 800-900 Hz, position of the "Resonant peak") which disappears at the higher ones which go up to around 11000-12000 Hz at the Rayblaster example. For a sound based on a single waveforms this does seem to be a good result.

This is just a single example for a single waveform so i'll try with other soon. Everyone got the screenshot of the presets so they are free to test themselves.

Ingo

Sampleconstruct · Post by **Sampleconstruct** » Wed Dec 12, 2012 11:06 am

Ingonator wrote:
So you blame us for not trying to test everything that is possible with the synth?

Ingo

No, I was just wondering, not blaming, you're in a constant defense mode somehow, chill down maybe...

Urs · Post by **Urs** » Wed Dec 12, 2012 12:19 pm

Ingonator wrote: https://dl.dropbox.com/u/53230726/RayBl ... t%2001.mp3

This sounds, looks and is made exactly like the Resonance waveforms in the Casio CZ synths.

The great thing about RayBlaster is that they generalised the method for arbitrary waveforms and for a wider choice of window functions. Which goes a giant step further than the Fractal Resonance in Bazille.

The CZ Resonance waveforms were also made to mimic the sound of resonant analogue filters, but no-one would ever go as far as to call this an authentic replication.

I think it's a great feature, but calling it "capable of authentically reproducing the filter sound of other synthesizers" is, hmmm, a stretch.

Nevertheless, I think I'm gonna buy RayBlaster because it does that thing really well

flakes2 · Post by **flakes2** » Wed Dec 12, 2012 12:52 pm

I don't think that rayblast has been developed with the intention to be an authentic analog emulation.
The synth can do much more exciting stuff. But some of you must admit that it is capable of mimicing certain analog sounds very well.

And it does NOT sound like a cheap Casio CZ or a 12-bit rompler.

I hate to repeat myself...

Listen to 1:45 here.
http://www.tone2.com/html/rayblaster_sy ... st_au.html

In the demo there are also several patches which prove the opposite. Go to the tutorial section and select 'FakeAnalogFilter'.

Please stop arguing.
peace

himalaya · Post by **himalaya** » Wed Dec 12, 2012 1:03 pm

I love those strong formants which RB does with ease:

Formant Erhu

hakey · Post by **hakey** » Wed Dec 12, 2012 1:13 pm

flakes2 wrote:Listen to 1:45 here.
http://www.tone2.com/html/rayblaster_sy ... st_au.html

Nothing special

Go to the tutorial section and select 'FakeAnalogFilter'.

Ditto.

Please stop arguing.

flakes2 · Post by **flakes2** » Wed Dec 12, 2012 1:18 pm

[quote="himalaya"]I love those strong formants which RB does with ease:

[url=www.electric-himalaya.com/stuff/Formant_Erhu.mp3]Formant Erhu[/url]

:hihi:[/quote]

Interesting sound. Has a certain 'vocalic Chinese vibe' to me. reminds me a bit to the yamaha FS1R.

LeVzi · Post by **LeVzi** » Wed Dec 12, 2012 1:35 pm

And for the rest of us, that don't have a bloody clue what everyone is on about, Rayblaster has some very good presets, and tbh you can mess about with this thing and get some real nice sounds from it. It's set up so even if you don't fully understand the science behind it, you can still get a lot from it, by following the drop downs in the waveform window. You can get an idea of what is on offer, plus you can get more n more waveforms from that TeamDNR thing, I'm not sure, I think ingo puts loads together, so i'm sure they'll be included in updates.

Just mess with the formant knob, alter the PW, change the harmonics, modulate them, you'll start getting the idea from it. I don't understand it, and I don't pretend to know the science, but the more I use it, the more I like it.

Even though I am close with Tone2, that's me speaking as someone who does love vsts, and enjoys experimenting.

Kriminal · Post by **Kriminal** » Wed Dec 12, 2012 1:39 pm

flakes2 wrote:I don't think that rayblast has been developed with the intention to be an authentic analog emulation.

some ppl seem to think otherwise

flakes2 wrote: And it does NOT sound like a cheap Casio CZ or a 12-bit rompler.

shame, i like the CZ synths.

Ingonator · Post by **Ingonator** » Wed Dec 12, 2012 1:39 pm

*edited*

zvenx · Post by **zvenx** » Wed Dec 12, 2012 1:47 pm

LeVzi wrote:And for the rest of us, that don't have a bloody clue what everyone is on about, Rayblaster has some very good presets, and tbh you can mess about with this thing and get some real nice sounds from it. It's set up so even if you don't fully understand the science behind it, you can still get a lot from it, by following the drop downs in the waveform window. You can get an idea of what is on offer, plus you can get more n more waveforms from that TeamDNR thing, I'm not sure, I think ingo puts loads together, so i'm sure they'll be included in updates.

Just mess with the formant knob, alter the PW, change the harmonics, modulate them, you'll start getting the idea from it. I don't understand it, and I don't pretend to know the science, but the more I use it, the more I like it.

Even though I am close with Tone2, that's me speaking as someone who does love vsts, and enjoys experimenting.

And this is my favourite post of the thread so far..

rsp

flakes2 · Post by **flakes2** » Wed Dec 12, 2012 1:57 pm

[quote="zvenx"][quote="LeVzi"][b]And for the rest of us, that don't have a bloody clue what everyone is on about,[/b] Rayblaster has some very good presets, and tbh you can mess about with this thing and get some real nice sounds from it. It's set up so even if you don't fully understand the science behind it, you can still get a lot from it, by following the drop downs in the waveform window. You can get an idea of what is on offer, plus you can get more n more waveforms from that TeamDNR thing, I'm not sure, I think ingo puts loads together, so i'm sure they'll be included in updates.

Just mess with the formant knob, alter the PW, change the harmonics, modulate them, you'll start getting the idea from it. I don't understand it, and I don't pretend to know the science, but the more I use it, the more I like it.

Even though I am close with Tone2, that's me speaking as someone who does love vsts, and enjoys experimenting.[/quote]

And this is my favourite post of the thread so far..

rsp[/quote]

+1

As a user and musician i do not care about the tech details. All that counts for me is that is a nice tool for MAKING MUSIC. I am looking for inspriation, fun, new sounds and the ability to easily tweak the sounds if i want to.

Kriminal · Post by **Kriminal** » Wed Dec 12, 2012 1:59 pm

3: Main Amplifier, Glide, Drive, + Unison Controls.
Here you will find the main amp envelope for Rayblaster, along with the unison & spread,
pan, glide (Portamento) and drive controls.

seems to be just this in the manual....so whats the Drive? what is driven, how, and where in the audio path?

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