You ever work with an Octave Cat? It has cross FM, where VCO1 can FM VCO2, and VCO2 can FM VCO1. Both oscillators have suboscillators that can be part of the FM mix, and VCO2 has 2 sorts of hard sync. Most chaotic fixed architecture synth I've ever worked with.Urs wrote: I'm quite fascinated by it. Out of all the vintage mono synths I have with a fixed architecture, the Pro One is the most difficult to model. It's the only one that does frequency & pulsewidth crossmodulation, filter fm and hardsync (some say it's softsync, but the circuit corresponds with the hardsync layout of the datasheets).
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- KVRAF
- 3426 posts since 15 Nov, 2006 from Pacific NW
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- 28042 posts since 8 Aug, 2002 from Berlin
Don't have a Cat... sounds difficult though, probably even harder to model than the Pro One or the Synthex.valhallasound wrote:You ever work with an Octave Cat? It has cross FM, where VCO1 can FM VCO2, and VCO2 can FM VCO1. Both oscillators have suboscillators that can be part of the FM mix, and VCO2 has 2 sorts of hard sync. Most chaotic fixed architecture synth I've ever worked with.Urs wrote: I'm quite fascinated by it. Out of all the vintage mono synths I have with a fixed architecture, the Pro One is the most difficult to model. It's the only one that does frequency & pulsewidth crossmodulation, filter fm and hardsync (some say it's softsync, but the circuit corresponds with the hardsync layout of the datasheets).
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- 3889 posts since 3 Feb, 2010
Urs, but why not later polyphonic prophet but monophonic?
will there be stacking or unison added? (sorry if you said this already). Will it be strictly mono?
will there be stacking or unison added? (sorry if you said this already). Will it be strictly mono?
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- 28042 posts since 8 Aug, 2002 from Berlin
Strictly mono... we don't have any of the polyphonic ones. No reference, no emuthemachinelt wrote:Urs, but why not later polyphonic prophet but monophonic?
will there be stacking or unison added? (sorry if you said this already). Will it be strictly mono?
The filter of our Pro one opens up to 40kHz. In order to model this and avoid aliasing we'll have to run it at least at 320kHz internally. That is going to make it more expensive than Diva, but still maybe a tad less CPU intense as the recent Roland plug-ins. (Meaning: A poly version might not be a viable option on today's CPUs)
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- 23077 posts since 7 Jan, 2009 from Croatia
I don't think that Roland optimized their code that well at all, really. And let's not talk about UI/UX crap their plugins are.
- KVRAF
- 4119 posts since 23 May, 2004 from Bad Vilbel, Germany
Oh please let's talk about that!EvilDragon wrote:(Roland) And let's not talk about UI/UX crap their plugins are.
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- 28042 posts since 8 Aug, 2002 from Berlin
It is for Diva (Pro One filter chip is same as Synthex one), but making a "pure" mono synth version lets us do some stuff we can't do in Diva. I won't say much about out plans, but it is about giving users more control over part tolerances, among other things.alexpen wrote:I would love to see this in Diva (as paid update).
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- KVRist
- 141 posts since 27 Mar, 2015
Great! Sounds intriguingIt is for Diva (Pro One filter chip is same as Synthex one), but making a "pure" mono synth version lets us do some stuff we can't do in Diva. I won't say much about out plans, but it is about giving users more control over part tolerances, among other things.
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- 2465 posts since 6 Jul, 2013
Ooh yeah, an "Age/Condition" knob, where 0 is factory fresh new and shiny, working 100%, and 10 is "I found this flood damaged piece of crap rotting in the dumpster"...Urs wrote:I won't say much about out plans, but it is about giving users more control over part tolerances, among other things.
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- 28042 posts since 8 Aug, 2002 from Berlin
Kind of...beely wrote:Ooh yeah, an "Age/Condition" knob, where 0 is factory fresh new and shiny, working 100%, and 10 is "I found this flood damaged piece of crap rotting in the dumpster"...Urs wrote:I won't say much about out plans, but it is about giving users more control over part tolerances, among other things.
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- 2465 posts since 6 Jul, 2013
Interesting. This has been talked about for some time, devices where the component tolerances can be fiddled with in modelling.
There's something quite cool about having instruments that have their own unique quirks ("My Minimoog doesn't sound like any other MiniMoog I've played with" etc) - and I think there is something cool about buying software instruments with their own preset unique differences - so every copy doesn't sound quite the same as any other copy.
How practical this is I don't know (I mean, it can be technically done, but how much sense it would make to put out products like this I don't know - people like 100% recall on their systems) - but it's kind of fun to think someone out there one day might have a "golden" Diva instance or something... heh
Anyway - whatever you do, I'm sure it will be interesting...
There's something quite cool about having instruments that have their own unique quirks ("My Minimoog doesn't sound like any other MiniMoog I've played with" etc) - and I think there is something cool about buying software instruments with their own preset unique differences - so every copy doesn't sound quite the same as any other copy.
How practical this is I don't know (I mean, it can be technically done, but how much sense it would make to put out products like this I don't know - people like 100% recall on their systems) - but it's kind of fun to think someone out there one day might have a "golden" Diva instance or something... heh
Anyway - whatever you do, I'm sure it will be interesting...
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- 28042 posts since 8 Aug, 2002 from Berlin
I hope sobeely wrote:Interesting. This has been talked about for some time, devices where the component tolerances can be fiddled with in modelling.
There's something quite cool about having instruments that have their own unique quirks ("My Minimoog doesn't sound like any other MiniMoog I've played with" etc) - and I think there is something cool about buying software instruments with their own preset unique differences - so every copy doesn't sound quite the same as any other copy.
How practical this is I don't know (I mean, it can be technically done, but how much sense it would make to put out products like this I don't know - people like 100% recall on their systems) - but it's kind of fun to think someone out there one day might have a "golden" Diva instance or something... heh
Anyway - whatever you do, I'm sure it will be interesting...
- KVRAF
- 1731 posts since 28 Dec, 2007
Urs is there much difference between the Pro One and Prophet 5 filter?
Presets for u-he Diva -> http://swanaudio.co.uk/
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- KVRAF
- 2746 posts since 13 Feb, 2012 from Amsterdam
Interesting question. And slightly related, I have the feeling that filters of mono synths are calibrated differently than their poly counterparts, but I may be delusional:)analoguesamples909 wrote:Urs is there much difference between the Pro One and Prophet 5 filter?