RAPID Synthesizer | NEW Cinematic Exposure XT

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Whywhy
KVRian
502 posts since 11 Aug, 2018

Post Tue Jan 14, 2020 11:39 am

@SLIC +1 !

SLiC
KVRAF
4418 posts since 2 Dec, 2004 from North Wales

Re: RAPID Synthesizer | NEW Cinematic Exposure XT

Post Tue Jan 14, 2020 11:56 am

I have been messing around with this mapping the volume sliders to an X/Y pad (Bitwig) - its a bit messy but yiou can see how powerful this could be (2 X/Y controls for mixing 8 layers is basically 2 Wavestations!) Put a X/Y sequencer in there and you have something realy unique.

Lots of space where the browser currently is - that can move (pop up when you click presets or something ;-)) the 'M' page should be for real time playing or sequencing of the layers!

@ Parawave - put that update out with a new (paid) preset bank of X/Y, Wavestation, 3D or whatever presets and I will buy my first preset pack from you, even with the VAT added ;-)
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Banquet
KVRer
11 posts since 31 Jan, 2015

Re: RAPID Synthesizer | NEW Cinematic Exposure XT

Post Tue Jan 14, 2020 1:09 pm

I would love a VST version of Korg's Wavestate and have heard that Rapid has some similar capabilities thanks to the individual modulations per layer. I tried the demo and it seemed great. I wonder how hard it would be to add some features to the modulation such as probabilities an length? If you could, for instance, set up a row of modulations on the step sequencer and set each even to a certain length and a percentage probability. Then have the option to set forward, back or random it would really open up the potential for generative and evolving sounds.

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Teksonik
KVRAF
13040 posts since 16 Sep, 2001 from Las Vegas,USA

Re: RAPID Synthesizer | NEW Cinematic Exposure XT

Post Tue Jan 14, 2020 8:00 pm

SLiC wrote:
Tue Jan 14, 2020 11:22 am
Thanks for this- Really nice (I particularly like the Fermi Paradox preset)
Thanks, I'm glad you liked them! :hug:
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databroth
KVRer
19 posts since 3 Dec, 2019

Re: RAPID Synthesizer | NEW Cinematic Exposure XT

Post Tue Jan 14, 2020 11:52 pm

I feel the need to clarify, wavestation and wavestate do NOT use wavetables, they are not wavetable synths, they are wave"sequence" synths. A wave sequence is a series of samples or audio recordings, there are some pros and cons to this vs WT, but the difference is pretty strong. Rapid "can" do wave sequencing, but it is a bit tricky to set up.
Hell even in the new wavestate it looks like a bit of a chore to set up your own wave sequences, I feel the strength of WS technology is in the presets, much like how in WT synths having a bank of WTs is much more useful than designing your own.

A key difference between the 2 is WTs are a series of "single" cycle waves that you can morph between freely at the OSC cycle rate. Wave sequences are much slower, akin to cross fading between loops of audio

Also @banquet you can do a bit of probability by using a SH lfo to modulate say the sequencers loop length or start point

SLiC
KVRAF
4418 posts since 2 Dec, 2004 from North Wales

Re: RAPID Synthesizer | NEW Cinematic Exposure XT

Post Wed Jan 15, 2020 1:12 am

databroth wrote:
Tue Jan 14, 2020 11:52 pm
Wave sequences are much slower, akin to cross fading between loops of audio
I think there are 2 issues here, one is the (X/Y) cross-fading between the 8 layers which seems like such an obviously thing to have (and be able to map/sequence or play live) - the other is the allowed length of wavetables or samples and the ability to scan across them slowly and crossfade (which is already possible as demonstrated in the presets posted by Teksonic a few posts back...)

Wavestate seems like a great little synth if you want a hardware solution for this, although personally, I find too much 'wave sequencing' a bit annoying (too much going on). I think you can achieve the same layered and moving/evolving effect ITB very easily with a multitimbral synth like Falcon or Omnisphere (both having advanced arp/sequencers) with different instruments/arps set up all playing of the same midi channel (if you want that 'press one key and take a bow effect!).
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Dripster
KVRer
1 posts since 15 Jan, 2020

RAPID Synthesizer | Ancient Pharaohs XT

Post Wed Jan 15, 2020 2:14 am

Just made a huge custom extension bank for rapid here are the details feel free to check it out https://youtu.be/yF9UVQl0vH0

Product Description:

Ancient Pharaohs is Here! This pack loaded with three crazy construction kits as well a extension bank and Library for rapid. This pack inspiration comes from the best beat makers such as: Pyrex Whippa, 808 Mafia, Murda Beatz, Metro Boomin and etc. The extension bank has futuristic plucks, dark / light wispy extraterrestrial pads, trap pianos that you never heard before, 808 mafia like keys, trippy modern bells, dope brass sounds, synth 808s, drum kits, flutes and more. this pack can be use for any genre of music so what are you waiting for come get your new sounds today and start bangin!

Inside Details:

• 3 Construction Kits
• 3 Full FLP Files (FL Studio 20 Projects)
• 45 MIDIs Files
• 36 WAVs Files
• 39 One-Shot Samples
• 17 Bonus MIDI With WAVS
• Rapid Extension Bank (234 Presets)
• Rapid Library (372 Presets)
• 24-Bit audio / 44100 kHz Quality
• Tempo-Labelled
• 100% Royalty-Free
• Over 200 MB of content
• Over 500 Files
• File Size (315.90MB)

Preset Extension Contains
(Note Users Can Design There Own Sounds With Our Wavetables)

• Arps / Seq
• Basslines
• Synth 808s
• Bells
• Brass
• NonSynth 808s
• Drum Kits
• Perc Kits
• Guitars
• Keys
• Lead Synths
• Pads
• Pianos
• Plucks
• Solo Kicks
• Solo Claps
• Solo Hi Hats
• Solo Snares
• Hits
• Flutes

Mik_lo
KVRist
36 posts since 6 May, 2017

Re: RAPID Synthesizer | NEW Cinematic Exposure XT

Post Mon Jan 27, 2020 12:01 pm

Any update on an update? Gagging for msegs, if they're coming, please, and thanks. Xxx

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parawave
KVRist
313 posts since 15 Mar, 2016 from Germany

Re: RAPID Synthesizer | NEW Cinematic Exposure XT

Post Thu Jan 30, 2020 3:26 pm

Mik_lo wrote:
Mon Jan 27, 2020 12:01 pm
Any update on an update? Gagging for msegs, if they're coming, please, and thanks. Xxx
First message in 2020. It was time.

Now, to give a little insight. The plans for the following updates are not carved in stone yet. The list of possible features is huge, we'll see what fits the best and do a bit of experimentation.

MSEG and Granular oscillator are two good candidates for features. We're going trough a few concepts right now.

About MSEG. Since a lot of shapes can already be achieved with the step sequences, we want to build something more special. Something that will not replace sequences, but extend on it. Not sure how extensive they will be. There is a lot of possibilities to consider.
In the meantime, if you have any suggestion about the editing and functionality of MSEGs: We'll listen to any ideas and consider them.

Dombaeb
KVRist
43 posts since 7 Dec, 2018 from Saint-Petersburg

Re: RAPID Synthesizer | NEW Cinematic Exposure XT

Post Thu Jan 30, 2020 7:27 pm

parawave wrote:
Thu Jan 30, 2020 3:26 pm
Mik_lo wrote:
Mon Jan 27, 2020 12:01 pm
Any update on an update? Gagging for msegs, if they're coming, please, and thanks. Xxx
First message in 2020. It was time.

Now, to give a little insight. The plans for the following updates are not carved in stone yet. The list of possible features is huge, we'll see what fits the best and do a bit of experimentation.

MSEG and Granular oscillator are two good candidates for features. We're going trough a few concepts right now.

About MSEG. Since a lot of shapes can already be achieved with the step sequences, we want to build something more special. Something that will not replace sequences, but extend on it. Not sure how extensive they will be. There is a lot of possibilities to consider.
In the meantime, if you have any suggestion about the editing and functionality of MSEGs: We'll listen to any ideas and consider them.
Good to hear it! Actually, I want to have the ability to make any shape in a visual way and apply it to any parameter so I need just a wave-looking customizable MSEG. Like in Serum (sorry for that mainstream comparison, but Duda did a really good job when he combines LFO and MSEG in one versatile essence, there are no differences between LFO and MSEG, you can apply pre-edited shapes and draw yours at the same window, it's beautiful!).

For me, the lack of MSEG is the only reason why Rapid can't replace all other wavetable synths. The step sequencer is good but please don't make MSEG as Step Sequencer extension, MSEG should be a one-stop point to draw and apply custom shapes. Let musicians just do modulation that they have in their heads without jumping from tab to tab!)

zeph
KVRist
51 posts since 27 Nov, 2006

Re: RAPID Synthesizer | NEW Cinematic Exposure XT

Post Thu Jan 30, 2020 10:02 pm

Dombaeb wrote:
Thu Jan 30, 2020 7:27 pm
parawave wrote:
Thu Jan 30, 2020 3:26 pm
Mik_lo wrote:
Mon Jan 27, 2020 12:01 pm
Any update on an update? Gagging for msegs, if they're coming, please, and thanks. Xxx
First message in 2020. It was time.

Now, to give a little insight. The plans for the following updates are not carved in stone yet. The list of possible features is huge, we'll see what fits the best and do a bit of experimentation.

MSEG and Granular oscillator are two good candidates for features. We're going trough a few concepts right now.

About MSEG. Since a lot of shapes can already be achieved with the step sequences, we want to build something more special. Something that will not replace sequences, but extend on it. Not sure how extensive they will be. There is a lot of possibilities to consider.
In the meantime, if you have any suggestion about the editing and functionality of MSEGs: We'll listen to any ideas and consider them.
Good to hear it! Actually, I want to have the ability to make any shape in a visual way and apply it to any parameter so I need just a wave-looking customizable MSEG. Like in Serum (sorry for that mainstream comparison, but Duda did a really good job when he combines LFO and MSEG in one versatile essence, there are no differences between LFO and MSEG, you can apply pre-edited shapes and draw yours at the same window, it's beautiful!).

For me, the lack of MSEG is the only reason why Rapid can't replace all other wavetable synths. The step sequencer is good but please don't make MSEG as Step Sequencer extension, MSEG should be a one-stop point to draw and apply custom shapes. Let musicians just do modulation that they have in their heads without jumping from tab to tab!)

I STRONGLY AGREE with Dombaeb - please implement the ability to draw shapes. This would really help with patch design and make RAPID really cool and more marketable :tu: :tu: :tu: :tu: .

SLiC
KVRAF
4418 posts since 2 Dec, 2004 from North Wales

Re: RAPID Synthesizer | NEW Cinematic Exposure XT

Post Thu Jan 30, 2020 11:38 pm

parawave wrote:
Thu Jan 30, 2020 3:26 pm
Mik_lo wrote:
Mon Jan 27, 2020 12:01 pm
Any update on an update? Gagging for msegs, if they're coming, please, and thanks. Xxx
First message in 2020. It was time.

Now, to give a little insight. The plans for the following updates are not carved in stone yet. The list of possible features is huge, we'll see what fits the best and do a bit of experimentation.

MSEG and Granular oscillator are two good candidates for features. We're going trough a few concepts right now.

About MSEG. Since a lot of shapes can already be achieved with the step sequences, we want to build something more special. Something that will not replace sequences, but extend on it. Not sure how extensive they will be. There is a lot of possibilities to consider.
In the meantime, if you have any suggestion about the editing and functionality of MSEGs: We'll listen to any ideas and consider them.
Any thoughts on the idea of being able to automate x fading between layers why just a couple of automatable XY joysticks on the main page? It seems like such an obvious use of layers (there are a few posts on this if you read back). Looking forward to whatever we get!
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Trancit
KVRAF
2566 posts since 27 Jul, 2004

Re: RAPID Synthesizer | NEW Cinematic Exposure XT

Post Fri Jan 31, 2020 12:30 am

Dombaeb wrote:
Thu Jan 30, 2020 7:27 pm
For me, the lack of MSEG is the only reason why Rapid can't replace all other wavetable synths. The step sequencer is good but please don't make MSEG as Step Sequencer extension, MSEG should be a one-stop point to draw and apply custom shapes. Let musicians just do modulation that they have in their heads without jumping from tab to tab!)
This!!!

Step sequencer is Step sequencer but workflow wise no replacement for a MSEG in any form ...

I mean what could be changed on a concept of a typical MSEG even if for some applying the step sequencer might be better?
You´ve got 1 curve where you can add as much points as you like and bend the connections in both ways... it should be beat syncable as well as time related as well as having the possibility to loop the whole thing as well as a certain section...

Is there any sense in inventing the wheel a second time? :tu:

recursive one
KVRAF
4509 posts since 7 Feb, 2013

Re: RAPID Synthesizer | NEW Cinematic Exposure XT

Post Fri Jan 31, 2020 1:51 am

Some random thoughts about the MSEGs
- there should be the posisbility to choose the timing between the tempo grid and milliseconds
- they should have an one-shot mode and a loop mode (the loop mode with all kinds of combinaitons of forward and backward looping for some freaky fun)
- they should be freely drawable (breakpoints + Bezier curves), with the optional possibility to align the breakpoints to the tempo grid
- there should be a possibility to store the MSEG presets

I think MSEGs and step sequencer do have some overlap but not so much. In synths like Dune3 I mostly use MSEQs in order to modify/augment the ADSR, e.g., I will program an one-shot MSEG looking like a short spike and assign it to the main volume or the cutoff to make the attack more pronounced, or make a kind of AD1S1D2S2R envelope for more expressive pads etc. Step Sequencers like in Rapid are more suited for various wub-wub stuff.
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Whywhy
KVRian
502 posts since 11 Aug, 2018

Re: RAPID Synthesizer | NEW Cinematic Exposure XT

Post Fri Jan 31, 2020 2:03 am

It could be great if the mseg gate could be trig by another modulator.

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