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picman
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6 posts since 27 Apr, 2022

Post Wed Apr 27, 2022 8:12 am

A very unhappy Roland customer here. Purchased lifetime license on Sound Canvas VA only to find out that I have to reactivate every month otherwise it stops working. Sound Canvas is old stuff, has been around for ages, why is this excessive protection? A similar (actually better) plugin from Yamaha is free. Won't go anywhere near Roland Cloud any more.

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beely
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2119 posts since 6 Jul, 2013

Post Wed Apr 27, 2022 8:20 am

chroma wrote: Wed Apr 27, 2022 7:46 am After the last update, several of the synths got way more usable on M1 - I tried system8 and Jupiter 8 last night, no more crackles at a reasonable 128 samples….
They no longer just max out a core as soon as you load them?

chroma
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872 posts since 10 Jan, 2010

Post Wed Apr 27, 2022 9:54 am

beely wrote: Wed Apr 27, 2022 8:20 am
chroma wrote: Wed Apr 27, 2022 7:46 am After the last update, several of the synths got way more usable on M1 - I tried system8 and Jupiter 8 last night, no more crackles at a reasonable 128 samples….
They no longer just max out a core as soon as you load them?
No more max cpu! Only the AU are native though afaik, I didn’t try vst (I tried AU under live 11…)

Examigan
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6682 posts since 15 Sep, 2005 from East Coast of the USA

Post Wed Apr 27, 2022 10:07 am

picman wrote: Wed Apr 27, 2022 8:12 am A very unhappy Roland customer here. Purchased lifetime license on Sound Canvas VA only to find out that I have to reactivate every month otherwise it stops working.
It has been basically that way for years. It used to need activation every week or two but they changed so its every 4 weeks.

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surreal
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2348 posts since 3 Dec, 2006

Post Wed Apr 27, 2022 11:06 am

picman wrote: Wed Apr 27, 2022 8:12 am A very unhappy Roland customer here. Purchased lifetime license on Sound Canvas VA only to find out that I have to reactivate every month otherwise it stops working. Sound Canvas is old stuff, has been around for ages, why is this excessive protection? A similar (actually better) plugin from Yamaha is free. Won't go anywhere near Roland Cloud any more.
Hi there, could you point us to a similar plug from yamaha that is free? I can't find any?

picman
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6 posts since 27 Apr, 2022

Post Thu Apr 28, 2022 6:30 am

surreal wrote: Wed Apr 27, 2022 11:06 am
picman wrote: Wed Apr 27, 2022 8:12 am A very unhappy Roland customer here. Purchased lifetime license on Sound Canvas VA only to find out that I have to reactivate every month otherwise it stops working. Sound Canvas is old stuff, has been around for ages, why is this excessive protection? A similar (actually better) plugin from Yamaha is free. Won't go anywhere near Roland Cloud any more.
Hi there, could you point us to a similar plug from yamaha that is free? I can't find any?
It is old, but I like it:
https://archive.org/details/yamaha_syxg50_vsti
There is also an editor for it called XGWorks, but I am writing my own instead, just for fun.

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WatchTheGuitar
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10832 posts since 30 Apr, 2019

Post Thu Apr 28, 2022 7:21 am

Ha I still have my old DB-50XG daughterboard attached to a Soundblaster AWE-32. Great in their day.

"I'm over here, just a lonely turd floating in a pickle jar by myself. Is that how this works?"
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surreal
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2348 posts since 3 Dec, 2006

Post Fri Apr 29, 2022 3:54 am

picman wrote: Thu Apr 28, 2022 6:30 am
surreal wrote: Wed Apr 27, 2022 11:06 am
picman wrote: Wed Apr 27, 2022 8:12 am A very unhappy Roland customer here. Purchased lifetime license on Sound Canvas VA only to find out that I have to reactivate every month otherwise it stops working. Sound Canvas is old stuff, has been around for ages, why is this excessive protection? A similar (actually better) plugin from Yamaha is free. Won't go anywhere near Roland Cloud any more.
Hi there, could you point us to a similar plug from yamaha that is free? I can't find any?
It is old, but I like it:
https://archive.org/details/yamaha_syxg50_vsti
There is also an editor for it called XGWorks, but I am writing my own instead, just for fun.
Thank you very much

Brian.McClelland
KVRist
108 posts since 18 Sep, 2020

Post Thu May 05, 2022 11:00 am

Examigan wrote: Wed Apr 27, 2022 10:07 am
picman wrote: Wed Apr 27, 2022 8:12 am A very unhappy Roland customer here. Purchased lifetime license on Sound Canvas VA only to find out that I have to reactivate every month otherwise it stops working.
It has been basically that way for years. It used to need activation every week or two but they changed so its every 4 weeks.
Hi, friends! Brian from Roland Cloud here. There will be a change to Sound Canvas VA coming that will alleviate this issue. Picman, I'll reach out to take care of you as the release gets closer. Thanks!

picman
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6 posts since 27 Apr, 2022

Post Thu May 05, 2022 12:17 pm

Brian.McClelland wrote: Thu May 05, 2022 11:00 am
Examigan wrote: Wed Apr 27, 2022 10:07 am
picman wrote: Wed Apr 27, 2022 8:12 am A very unhappy Roland customer here. Purchased lifetime license on Sound Canvas VA only to find out that I have to reactivate every month otherwise it stops working.
It has been basically that way for years. It used to need activation every week or two but they changed so its every 4 weeks.
Hi, friends! Brian from Roland Cloud here. There will be a change to Sound Canvas VA coming that will alleviate this issue. Picman, I'll reach out to take care of you as the release gets closer. Thanks!
Thanks Brian, I look forward to it.

ValliSoftware
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241 posts since 11 May, 2014

Post Thu May 05, 2022 12:59 pm

beely wrote: Wed Apr 27, 2022 8:20 am
chroma wrote: Wed Apr 27, 2022 7:46 am After the last update, several of the synths got way more usable on M1 - I tried system8 and Jupiter 8 last night, no more crackles at a reasonable 128 samples….
They no longer just max out a core as soon as you load them?
Logic still has this because of Live Input mode, but you can do what I did and write a customized Objective-C MIDIFX plug-in and go from single high core to multi-core for any AU Instrument.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Alpky5zd6Q0

Echoes in the Attic
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9620 posts since 12 May, 2008

Post Thu May 05, 2022 1:10 pm

Brian.McClelland wrote: Thu May 05, 2022 11:00 am
Examigan wrote: Wed Apr 27, 2022 10:07 am
picman wrote: Wed Apr 27, 2022 8:12 am A very unhappy Roland customer here. Purchased lifetime license on Sound Canvas VA only to find out that I have to reactivate every month otherwise it stops working.
It has been basically that way for years. It used to need activation every week or two but they changed so its every 4 weeks.
Hi, friends! Brian from Roland Cloud here. There will be a change to Sound Canvas VA coming that will alleviate this issue. Picman, I'll reach out to take care of you as the release gets closer. Thanks!
Why not change it for the rest of the Cloud instruments too?

J Veronica
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12 posts since 23 Jul, 2020

Post Thu May 05, 2022 1:17 pm

Any new instruments coming soon?

Got to assume the Juno 60 Model Expansion will turn up for Zenology, but how about the rumoured JX8P Legendary model?

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beely
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2119 posts since 6 Jul, 2013

Post Thu May 05, 2022 2:28 pm

ValliSoftware wrote: Thu May 05, 2022 12:59 pm Logic still has this because of Live Input mode, but you can do what I did and write a customized Objective-C MIDIFX plug-in and go from single high core to multi-core for any AU Instrument.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Alpky5zd6Q0
It's not Live mode that's the problem, it was that the Roland ACB plugin were horrendously optimised for M1 (reportedly they are better now, but I haven't checked yet, I'm waiting for a bit more user feedback before I burn a months' subscription to find out nothing's changed...).

They should take about 30% of a core, compared to their performance on my old Intel Mac, but instead, they required more than a single M1 core could handle, which is clearly bad, unoptimised code, not a Logic problem. Let's hope they fixed it now...

I'll check out your workaround, but splitting a poorly coded plugin across multiple cores just so you can use it is still a poor solution, it's just super wasteful of CPU cycles...

Edit: Neat MIDI plug - very cool: What's your plugin doing - I guess you're directly outputting the incoming MIDI data on the selected channel back out through a custom virtual MIDI port (or IAC) back into Logic, and then that incoming MIDI from that port is cabled to the channel strips directly?

(Or can you use the new MIDI input options per track in 10.7.x directly and avoid any direct environment routing? - which would be the cleaner option...)

Do you get higher latency with your method over conventional single core live mode (which is apparently optimised for real time performance) ? What's the timing difference you see?

Synth Master Jedi
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456 posts since 21 Jun, 2013

Post Fri May 06, 2022 11:13 pm

Does anybody know if there's a way to shut off the constant notifications coming from the Roland Cloud Manager? I assume that there's not, because I don't see any settings or options within the app itself.

It's telling me practically daily that I have updates, so I'll open the app and check and nope, nothing there for anything that I own, so I just close it and I get back to whatever else I was doing.

All of my Roland Cloud stuff is up to date, so I know when the app keeps letting me know that there's an update, I know that it's bogus most of the time.

I'd rather check manually once a month or something for updates instead of having bogus notifications coming from the app practically daily.

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