idfpower wrote:I was thinking of different voices/timbres. You know, make it sound BIG. Right now my main beef would be the vocals...still too artifical. There are two things that make or break this kind of music: drums (the engine!) and vocals. These either add a lot of dynamics, or completely kill the song. Like I said before: it's very difficult to fake stuff in metal - artificial bits tend to stand out (in a bad way) and you can only go that far.wagtunes wrote:Yeah, they sure do. Oh, and there are background vocals on the chorus. You don't hear the harmony?
When we're talking about country or even certain 80s styles I can see the argument to wags for not being so self conscious and just using his own voice. But, now we're talking about metal, and no disrespect, but, it takes a certain level of power and confidence to make metal sound authentic.
Given that wags didn't want to try this for country music, I feel like it's kind of nonsensical to suggest that he record his own voice for metal. So, while I agree that the vocals need to be thicker, I think that the best advice would be with respect to how to accomplish that with the synthesized vocals.
I agree that it doesn't sound like Babymetal, it has much more of a weird progressive chiptunes metal kind of thing going. It's not my cup of tea, but, I don't know why people like chiptunes either.As for the guy mentioning BABYMETAL - real vocals with heavy riffs. BIG difference. Actually, metal is a VERY EXPERIMENTAL music genre. Anyway, to me, wagtune's tracks sounds more like Wagakki (killer band btw) than BM (https://youtu.be/eNoDyfvABHc), but hey
I think though, that the authenticity that wags should explore is his own. How do you make those synth vocals sound like the start of "his" show. I think that this is important from the perspective of self-expression. Do what you do as best as you can. That doesn't necessarily mean that you should change what you do to what other people do. This is where the argument with respect to conforming to genre actually matters. The only reason that one should conform to the norms of a particular genre is if they want to sound authentic with respect to that genre. If one has already made it clear that they won't conform with respect to a specific and vital element, then it makes more sense to just let that expectation go and, instead, simply produce the best variant of a genre that they can given those limitations.
And I'm just going to say it, IMNSHO, both metal and progressive rock have plenty of room within their umbrella for off-beat, even somewhat cheesy, interpretations. Sorry, it's nothing like country or blues where the rawness almost defines the genre. Metal is a cheesy, bombastic, and over the top genre to begin with. Prog rock is associated with capes, metal with spandex, and now we have Babymetal where it's associated with little girls in cute little dresses. I think that we can dispense with much of the air of seriousness, no?
So wags has basically four choices:
1) Sing metal with his own voice. No disrespect intended, but, I think that this would be even less authentic and not half as interesting.
2) Hire someone to sing. I don't think that this is going to happen, we've had this conversation before.
3) Try to make the synthesized voice sound authentic with respect to the norms of metal. While this "might" be possible, I don't believe that it is. I think that efforts here will ultimately be disappointing.
4) Embrace the weirdness of the synthesized voice and push it and the remainder of the production in a direction that allows it to be the star.
I think that only option four is even passably realistic. My joking comment was half serious, this reminds me of so much of asian weirdness, especially what I perceive as Korean vs Japanese, keeping in mind that I'm no expert on either culture.
IMHO, a weird cheesy metal prog-metal genre that is all synthesized, and, in fact, contains absolutely no pure acoustic elements might be one of the best uses yet for the synthesized voices that wags likes so much. In this imagined genre, a key element is that there is no ACTUAL singing or guitar playing. I'm serious, given what people like on the fringes, I think that this kind of music will find an audience if done well.