Helix Native plugin

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zvenx
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6662 posts since 16 Feb, 2005 from Kingston, Jamaica

Post Wed Oct 31, 2018 7:55 am

Some of us just don't like the sound of Line 6's modeling..... Helix is no different, and yes I have played lots of real guitar Rigs.

Not saying we are right, but for some of us, it just doesn't sound good. Has nothing to do with levels etc.
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Robert Randolph
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2163 posts since 25 May, 2003 from Saint Petersburg, Florida

Re: Helix Native plugin

Post Wed Oct 31, 2018 8:30 am

zvenx wrote:
Wed Oct 31, 2018 7:55 am
Some of us just don't like the sound of Line 6's modeling..... Helix is no different, and yes I have played lots of real guitar Rigs.

Not saying we are right, but for some of us, it just doesn't sound good. Has nothing to do with levels etc.
rsp
I understand that. I'm more curious about this specific scenario. Especially since Helix isn't much at all like their previous offerings.

If the user simply can't make it work for themself AND the demos all sound bad, then I'd happily accept that they dislike it, but until then I don't think we can rule that out.

I'm certainly not a Line6 apologist (especially given that my review wasn't positive enough for them). I'm just indulging my curiousity here. I love figuring out what people dislike about various products.
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zvenx
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Re: Helix Native plugin

Post Wed Oct 31, 2018 8:33 am

Robert Randolph wrote:
Wed Oct 31, 2018 8:30 am
zvenx wrote:
Wed Oct 31, 2018 7:55 am
Some of us just don't like the sound of Line 6's modeling..... Helix is no different, and yes I have played lots of real guitar Rigs.

Not saying we are right, but for some of us, it just doesn't sound good. Has nothing to do with levels etc.
rsp
I understand that. I'm more curious about this specific scenario. Especially since Helix isn't much at all like their previous offerings.

If the user simply can't make it work for themself AND the demos all sound bad, then I'd happily accept that they dislike it, but until then I don't think we can rule that out.

I'm certainly not a Line6 apologist (especially given that my review wasn't positive enough for them). I'm just indulging my curiousity here. I love figuring out what people dislike about various products.
Understood.
For me line 6 has a sound.....I tried to like the pod when it first came out was it in the 90's? But went with a competitor..........since then I bought maybe two or three of their products for which I still have the hardware 'dongle's' I never ended up using any of them in real projects....
Heard demos of the hardware helix, didnt' find any I liked...... then the native came out, downloaded it and demoed it for a day or two or three.. still didn't like it.
Line 6 to me has a sound, and it doesn't gel with me.
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Robert Randolph
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Re: Helix Native plugin

Post Wed Oct 31, 2018 8:35 am

zvenx wrote:
Wed Oct 31, 2018 8:33 am
Line 6 to me has a sound
This is definitely true, but with Helix I think they got rid of that weird airy/hollow thing that they had going with the POD line forever.

That characteristic 'maybe too smooth' distortion is there though.
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zvenx
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Re: Helix Native plugin

Post Wed Oct 31, 2018 8:40 am

Just saw a minute or two of your review.....:-)
Yes one couldn't accuse you of being a line6 fanboy.

There is just a fizzle/sizzle/grating in the high end that I always hear in their guitar amp simulators and for me is still very present in the Helix.

(It is the Tone stuff I had bought.. and it seems like there are two of them not three (although I seem to recall an ilok dongle being involved at some point in my line6 history)

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EvilDragon
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Re: Helix Native plugin

Post Wed Oct 31, 2018 9:11 am

zvenx wrote:
Wed Oct 31, 2018 8:40 am
There is just a fizzle/sizzle/grating in the high end that I always hear in their guitar amp simulators and for me is still very present in the Helix.
That's nothing a bit of EQ can't fix. :P

Most any ampsim will need some EQ massaging to get rid of "offending frequencies". Even the best ones.

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zvenx
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6662 posts since 16 Feb, 2005 from Kingston, Jamaica

Re: Helix Native plugin

Post Wed Oct 31, 2018 7:50 pm

It isn't something EQ can fix....it isnt that it is too bright or too dull etc... its a fizzle/sizzle/grating.... I do have other guitar ampsims that I use if not daily/weekly. :-)

I just don't' like the line 6 stuff.. helix et al. I know you do and that's fine too.
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systmu
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299 posts since 7 Feb, 2015

Re: Helix Native plugin

Post Fri Nov 09, 2018 10:44 am


bill45
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2210 posts since 15 Jun, 2006

Re: Helix Native plugin

Post Sat Nov 10, 2018 1:08 pm

EvilDragon wrote:
Wed Oct 31, 2018 9:11 am
zvenx wrote:
Wed Oct 31, 2018 8:40 am
There is just a fizzle/sizzle/grating in the high end that I always hear in their guitar amp simulators and for me is still very present in the Helix.
That's nothing a bit of EQ can't fix. :P

Most any ampsim will need some EQ massaging to get rid of "offending frequencies". Even the best ones.
remember that line 6 recommends an input level of -16, -12 tops.I get better results starting from scratch.

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EvilDragon
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Re: Helix Native plugin

Post Sat Nov 10, 2018 3:34 pm

Yeah, I know about the input levels, but this is not about that.

bill45
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Re: Helix Native plugin

Post Sun Nov 11, 2018 2:11 pm

EvilDragon wrote:
Sat Nov 10, 2018 3:34 pm
Yeah, I know about the input levels, but this is not about that.
It could help with the fizzyness and over all sound.

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