Cloud storage : what do you use?

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chk071
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17037 posts since 11 Apr, 2010 from Germany

Post Sat Aug 11, 2018 4:45 am

SparkySpark wrote:
chk071 wrote: I'm afraid you have a wrong idea of what "syncing" means then. Think about it: What happens when you synchronize something? You match something. It is no matching, when a folder is different on every device. You seem to be looking for something else really. Mirroring. Actually, one-sided mirroring. That's not what clouds do though.
Thanks for joining! Well I wouldn't call it mirroring really (that is essentially what BackBlaze does).

Think of it as throwing stones in a lake. :) I throw one stone in. I throw another stone in. And they stay there until I explicitly do something with them. :D
Yep. When you use a file syncing program, like FreeFileSync, that's called mirroring. One-sided. (actually, i think mirroring is another term for syncing... the important thing is that it is one-sided, so that both sides aren't matched) Because you only "refresh" one side, while the rest of the files stay untouched. Maybe there actually is a cloud provider which allows that. OneDrive and Google Drive definitely don't.

Etienne1973
KVRist
291 posts since 8 Feb, 2013 from Switzerland

Re: Cloud storage : what do you use?

Post Sat Aug 11, 2018 4:54 am

SparkySpark wrote:Yes Etienne, this is exactly what I look for:

1. I produce a file on my computer.
2. It gets automatically backed up on the cloud.
3. My SSD breaks down but I can get all data back from the cloud.

...and if I accidentally were to delete a file or folder on the cloud solution, the file won't disappear from my or my wife's computers.

...and if I happen to leave my computer at home but want to retrieve a file (say a pptx for a presentation) then I should be able to download it from a web browser.

Well, that's it I guess! :wink:
Could DropBox be something for you?

I guess you make local backups anyway?

SparkySpark
KVRian
1263 posts since 30 Aug, 2004 from Skövde, Sweden

Re: Cloud storage : what do you use?

Post Sat Aug 11, 2018 7:51 am

Hi,

Yes, I make local backups as well, but in this case
1) it's been... well, too long, and
2) some older folders didn't get copied (i.e. I missed them).

I now know that there is a function in Win 10 that lets one copy just new stuff to an external HDD and that way make incremental backups, at least in theory without 2) happening. That still leaves room for 1) misses, and of course it's better with an offsite (cloud) backup as well.

I think that DropBox is equivalent to Google Drive and OneDrive :nutter: . The keyword is usually "Selective Sync", meaning that one can stop selected folders from syncing (i.e. act as "vaults" instead). I can't believe there can't be an online vault service that doesn't delete items when they have been deleted from the user's computer (or when the computer/external disk hasn't been plugged in during thirty days :roll: (thinking of you, BackBlaze... :idiot: :smack: ).

The only services I can find that act as vaults are (if I am correct):
- Sync.com
- iDrive
- maybe pCloud
- definitely JottaCloud, but there is a lot of buzz regarding their future and also support.

I think this must be a problem for all of us! Even greater a problem as we record big audio files :band2: , and then delete unwanted files through our DAW through a Delete unused file command. If we mirror the takes in the DAW, we'd probably like to erase the deleted takes also in the cloud (i.e. perform a sync operation, in contrast to my desired situation). ...at least most of the time, that is...

This is really driving me nuts!
:bang: :bang: :bang:
:help: :help: :help:

[you see my desperation in the overuse of KVR smileys...]
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Etienne1973
KVRist
291 posts since 8 Feb, 2013 from Switzerland

Re: Cloud storage : what do you use?

Post Sat Aug 11, 2018 7:55 am

@SparkySpark: Set up an FTP server. It should be the cleanest option for your situation. Administrate the whole process from 1 Computer with a highly configurable software.

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mgw38
KVRian
1035 posts since 26 Jul, 2015 from Philadelphia

Re: Cloud storage : what do you use?

Post Sat Aug 11, 2018 8:01 am

SparkySpark wrote:Yes, thanks, but what if you deleted some files or folders and didn't notice that one of them shouldn't have been deleted?

That is why I say this is not really backup. It even gives one a false sense of security.
In that sense, it is not a backup, but rather a versioning system. You need an additional backup, but I would not put this into the cloud, I would keep that local. The only exception would be for online cold storage like Amazon Glacier.

Btw, when Dropbox came out they had an option called "Unlimited Packrat" which was a time- and space-unlimited versioning system. They no longer offer it but anybody who subscribed back then (and did not opt out when they abandoned that option) has still access to that. I can restore any version of any file I ever had in my Dropbox, even if it was years ago. They make it a bit difficult to access but it works.

SparkySpark
KVRian
1263 posts since 30 Aug, 2004 from Skövde, Sweden

Re: Cloud storage : what do you use?

Post Sat Aug 11, 2018 8:05 am

Etienne1973 wrote:@SparkySpark: Set up an FTP server. It should be the cleanest option for your situation.
Now that's a brilliant idea! I run several websites and the web host obviously comes with an ftp solution (only 150 GB though).

It's really exactly the scenario at hand: I develop a web site locally and upload/overwrite existing web pages every now and again.

But are there tools that handle auto uploads of data to an ftp server? ...hmmmm.... I think I read that BackBlaze :hail: can upload to ftp! If so, that would mean problem solved, right?

I don't know what host to use for this in case I don't use my web host (which seems a bit peculiar really). Do you happen to have a suggestion (otherwise I'll search for it)?
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SparkySpark
KVRian
1263 posts since 30 Aug, 2004 from Skövde, Sweden

Re: Cloud storage : what do you use?

Post Sat Aug 11, 2018 8:07 am

mgw38 wrote:
SparkySpark wrote:Yes, thanks, but what if you deleted some files or folders and didn't notice that one of them shouldn't have been deleted?

That is why I say this is not really backup. It even gives one a false sense of security.
In that sense, it is not a backup, but rather a versioning system. You need an additional backup, but I would not put this into the cloud, I would keep that local. The only exception would be for online cold storage like Amazon Glacier.

Btw, when Dropbox came out they had an option called "Unlimited Packrat" which was a time- and space-unlimited versioning system. They no longer offer it but anybody who subscribed back then (and did not opt out when they abandoned that option) has still access to that. I can restore any version of any file I ever had in my Dropbox, even if it was years ago. They make it a bit difficult to access but it works.
Interesting! Yes, Cold storage sounds right. :) I'll check my old DropBox account as well. Thanks!
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Etienne1973
KVRist
291 posts since 8 Feb, 2013 from Switzerland

Re: Cloud storage : what do you use?

Post Sat Aug 11, 2018 11:00 am

SparkySpark wrote:I don't know what host to use for this in case I don't use my web host (which seems a bit peculiar really). Do you happen to have a suggestion (otherwise I'll search for it)?
I'm no network expert. But even if you are not using FTP in the end: With Backblaze B2 Cloud Storage many things are possible. Take a closer look.

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