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layzer
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5638 posts since 11 Jun, 2006

Post Tue Apr 17, 2018 12:11 pm

lets just call it "electro-swing" timing issues justified :hihi:
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fastlanephil
KVRian
616 posts since 3 Jan, 2016

Re: Robotopia

Post Tue Apr 17, 2018 2:46 pm

Allomerus wrote:Sounds very cool Phil.
Enjoying the synths, and the harmonic shifts...
Drums sound great too! I like the offbeatedness of them.
Trumpets are good too!
Well done!
Cheers,
John
:)
Thanks much John. I seem to fight the strict timing of those rythmn patches. I always want to push it a bit I guess.

Phil

Cruba
KVRist
256 posts since 13 Dec, 2015

Re: Robotopia

Post Thu Apr 19, 2018 9:48 am

Made my day and I'm really really jealous cos of your smooth arps, really!

Being a drummer I say, the bass don't start at the right point of beat (1:06 I mean thet enter), but maybe I'm wrong. Also the pattern itself sounds accidently offbeat, but maybe you planned it like that. Hard to follow, cos I just have the arp as orientation.

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seismic1
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9039 posts since 13 Mar, 2009 from UK

Re: Robotopia

Post Wed Apr 25, 2018 5:34 pm

fastlanephil wrote:
seismic1 wrote:Overall, I enjoyed this. The synths worked well together and I liked the brass sounds when they joined in. Like layzer, I had a few problems getting my head around the timing. It sounded a little "off", although I'm not yet sure how much of an issue that was for me.

Good work :)
Glad you enjoyed this seismic.

I think electronic musicians or electronic music listeners brains kind of get rewired and resensitized about timing. That was a hurtle for me as I developed a real liking for the genre and the also the unnatural sounds. Most people of my generation find it pretty alien as something they would actually enjoy listening to. Not just as an occasional soundtrack that they are not actually listening to.

I’m not making excuses for the off beat but just making an observation.
I've just played the revised version, and I think I preferred it to the original version, but maybe for the wrong reason. I think I was probably trying too hard to make "rhythmic sense" of the original by imposing my own expectation of how that should work. Now, listening to the earlier version again, I don't really mind that the rhythm patch seems a little "off".

Sometimes when I've put tracks together in the past using multiple arps and percussion, I have soloed different pairs of arps or each arp with the rhythm track and it can sound quite tight, but all of the elements together can occasionally sound quite disruptive. As long as the disruption is reasonable and/or interesting, I'll leave it alone.

Phil Collins "This Must Be Love" is a simple but great example of a rhythmic masterpiece. If I focus on the percussion during the intro, I can completely lose track of the funky groove that the bass guitar adds and the song almost takes on a Prog-rock character. It took me few years to work that out, probably 'cos I approached it coming from a Prog/Genesis background. It was still enjoyable, but I now realise that it is actually two songs for the price of one.

srv-musikmaker
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552 posts since 23 Dec, 2012

Re: Robotopia

Post Wed Apr 25, 2018 5:59 pm

I find the overall elements quite interesting. The off beat rhythm is what sets your song apart. It is like the coordinated march of a robot army (which is cool). But instead of letting it stop completely at around the 1:49 mark, you might consider keeping it going (maybe at a slightly lower volume). At a certain point, this 'marching' can get chaotically loud and fade off gradually. Just some ideas ;)
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fastlanephil
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616 posts since 3 Jan, 2016

Re: Robotopia

Post Wed Apr 25, 2018 6:31 pm

Cruba wrote:Made my day and I'm really really jealous cos of your smooth arps, really!

Being a drummer I say, the bass don't start at the right point of beat (1:06 I mean thet enter), but maybe I'm wrong. Also the pattern itself sounds accidently offbeat, but maybe you planned it like that. Hard to follow, cos I just have the arp as orientation.
Cruba
Yeah, I screwed around with that spot at 1:06, trying to sync it up better. I’m always fighting those strict tempo rythmn patches. I play most everything in first with my keyboard in free time and have melodies and such playing in my head at the same time.

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Frantz
KVRAF
4813 posts since 18 Jul, 2008 from New York

Re: Robotopia

Post Wed Apr 25, 2018 6:53 pm

Listening to Rev 1. The arp does not seem to be tempo sync'ed. It actually makes me dizzy.

Sounds and composition are fantastic but I can't get over these tempo issues. Oh well.

fastlanephil
KVRian
616 posts since 3 Jan, 2016

Re: Robotopia

Post Wed Apr 25, 2018 6:55 pm

srv-musikmaker wrote:I find the overall elements quite interesting. The off beat rhythm is what sets your song apart. It is like the coordinated march of a robot army (which is cool). But instead of letting it stop completely at around the 1:49 mark, you might consider keeping it going (maybe at a slightly lower volume). At a certain point, this 'marching' can get chaotically loud and fade off gradually. Just some ideas ;)
Thanks for the comments and ideas srv-musikmaker.

I might have a go at it. :)

fastlanephil
KVRian
616 posts since 3 Jan, 2016

Re: Robotopia

Post Wed Apr 25, 2018 7:09 pm

Frantz wrote:Listening to Rev 1. The arp does not seem to be tempo sync'ed. It actually makes me dizzy.

Sounds and composition are fantastic but I can't get over these tempo issues. Oh well.
I isolated that patch and with other rythmns and it actually does sync up but has an odd pattern.

fastlanephil
KVRian
616 posts since 3 Jan, 2016

Re: Robotopia

Post Wed Apr 25, 2018 7:24 pm

seismic1 wrote:
fastlanephil wrote:
seismic1 wrote:Overall, I enjoyed this. The synths worked well together and I liked the brass sounds when they joined in. Like layzer, I had a few problems getting my head around the timing. It sounded a little "off", although I'm not yet sure how much of an issue that was for me.

Good work :)
Glad you enjoyed this seismic.

I think electronic musicians or electronic music listeners brains kind of get rewired and resensitized about timing. That was a hurtle for me as I developed a real liking for the genre and the also the unnatural sounds. Most people of my generation find it pretty alien as something they would actually enjoy listening to. Not just as an occasional soundtrack that they are not actually listening to.

I’m not making excuses for the off beat but just making an observation.
I've just played the revised version, and I think I preferred it to the original version, but maybe for the wrong reason. I think I was probably trying too hard to make "rhythmic sense" of the original by imposing my own expectation of how that should work. Now, listening to the earlier version again, I don't really mind that the rhythm patch seems a little "off".

Sometimes when I've put tracks together in the past using multiple arps and percussion, I have soloed different pairs of arps or each arp with the rhythm track and it can sound quite tight, but all of the elements together can occasionally sound quite disruptive. As long as the disruption is reasonable and/or interesting, I'll leave it alone.

Phil Collins "This Must Be Love" is a simple but great example of a rhythmic masterpiece. If I focus on the percussion during the intro, I can completely lose track of the funky groove that the bass guitar adds and the song almost takes on a Prog-rock character. It took me few years to work that out, probably 'cos I approached it coming from a Prog/Genesis background. It was still enjoyable, but I now realise that it is actually two songs for the price of one.
The Phil Collins song has an interesting rythmn structure. It sounds pretty Caribbean at the intro and then becomes a back rhythm.

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markkuja
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797 posts since 28 Oct, 2005 from Finland

Re: Robotopia

Post Thu Jun 14, 2018 10:53 am

Just listened the Robotopia Rev 1
Nice soundscape and interesting composition.
I liked the ambiance and sounds

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wagtunes
KVRAF
13605 posts since 8 Oct, 2014

Re: Robotopia

Post Thu Jun 14, 2018 12:13 pm

fastlanephil wrote:Electronic patches,trumpets and strings. New Version Below.

https://soundcloud.com/fastlanephil/robotopia
I've decided to start a new numerical feedback system so that members can get a more qualitative view of their work, albeit in a subjective manner.

I will be grading on 4 categories on a 1-10 scale

1. Music (Melody, harmony, etc.)

2. Instrumentation (Synths used, Sound FX, etc.)

3. Mix (EQ, Compression, FX, Panning, etc.)

4. Performance (How well I thought you played whether live playing or EDM quantization where there is no actual live playing or both)

Music - 8
Instrumentation - 8
Mix - 9
Performance - 8

Overall Score - 8.25

Comments: Well done. I liked it.

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fluffy_little_something
KVRAF
12230 posts since 5 Jun, 2012 from Portugal

Re: Robotopia

Post Thu Jun 14, 2018 12:56 pm

I like the first 1:06 :tu:

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