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elassi
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Postby elassi; Tue Jun 12, 2018 9:53 am Classic sidechaining vs. (dynamic) EQing vs. manual craftmanship

Spent the last weekend investigating several methods to separate the kick and the bass. In former times me only used the classic sidechain-method but since "Trackspacer" and the like entered my focus I was curious to hear the differences and/or disadvantages of all the techniques at hand.

Did thorough tests with (among others) MeldaEverything, Equivocate, any SC-capable compressor in my plugin-folder and also some handmade solutions (automation, that is).

Today, opened the various sessions again, hoping to rely on fresh ears, but still have no idea which trick tastes better. :borg:

It'd be great if you guys share your opinions and experiences. Probably I missed something (read: did something wrong).
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Postby AsPeeXXXVIII; Wed Jun 13, 2018 12:56 am Re: Classic sidechaining vs. (dynamic) EQing vs. manual craftmanship

I mean it's ultimately up to you to decide. But on a quick note, compressing the "different ends" of the two instruments with multiband compression might be another possibility worth looking into.
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Postby elassi; Thu Jun 14, 2018 10:18 am Re: Classic sidechaining vs. (dynamic) EQing vs. manual craftmanship

Thx, but I'm afraid I don't understand what you mean. Do you mind to elaborate a bit more on this? Thank you. :)
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Postby AsPeeXXXVIII; Fri Jun 15, 2018 8:03 am Re: Classic sidechaining vs. (dynamic) EQing vs. manual craftmanship

I'm going to assume you know the basics of how a compressor functions. A multiband compressor is basically a compressor, but instead of the entire frequency range, you can choose to compress specific frequencies. In your case, for instance, you could compress the kick around the 50-200Hz area and the bass around the 500-2,000Hz area.

Do note that those are just random numbers I pulled off the top of my head. You can obviously compress either instrument in any frequency range depending on your own preference.
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Postby elassi; Sat Jun 16, 2018 12:07 am Re: Classic sidechaining vs. (dynamic) EQing vs. manual craftmanship

Ah, I see what you mean though I can't imagine how this would solve the problem of conflicting frequencies in the low end (taking into account that you just make one part of the conflicting sound "stronger" which - in my opinion - only adds to the problem). However, I'll try this because hearing is better than believing. ;)
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Postby koonig; Sat Jun 16, 2018 8:02 am Re: Classic sidechaining vs. (dynamic) EQing vs. manual craftmanship

Can you clarify what you mean by separating kick and bass. What is your specific problem.
The simplest solution would clearly be putting the bass only on the off-beats but i guess that wouldn't work for your style
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Postby elassi; Sat Jun 16, 2018 11:03 pm Re: Classic sidechaining vs. (dynamic) EQing vs. manual craftmanship

My "problem" (as well as common solutions) is written in the first post.

I'd like to hear opinions on the various methods or - alternatively - how other people deal with it.

Is my english that bad? :?
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Postby adl; Sat Jun 16, 2018 11:57 pm Re: Classic sidechaining vs. (dynamic) EQing vs. manual craftmanship

Bought Trackspacer after some testing, I think it's doing a good job and is also quiet easy to set up, compared to all the other technics you described. I also like the fact, that only specific frequencys get out of the way, not the whole spectrum as of you would get with classic Sidechaining.
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Postby Samplecraze; Tue Jun 19, 2018 2:38 am Re: Classic sidechaining vs. (dynamic) EQing vs. manual craftmanship

Although side-chaining works wonders for alternating frequencies maybe you should try automation for fine tuning?
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Postby MogwaiBoy; Thu Jun 21, 2018 12:58 pm Re: Classic sidechaining vs. (dynamic) EQing vs. manual craftmanship

If you're just wanting to duck amplitude, not specific frequencies - the best method for me is sending those channels to a bus and then creating a simple volume automation on the bus fader. In FL Studio you can create a little mini automation curve on the Playlist and then just duplicate/drag it wherever you want it to go (on the kick and/or snare usually).

If you want frequency ducking then yep, lots of methods - but again, say, automating the mix control on Pro-Q 2.. is pretty easy.

Automation method gives you full control of everything btw - you are not beholden to a compressor's limitations (attack time etc).

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