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el-bo (formerly ebow)
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Postby el-bo (formerly ebow); Fri Aug 10, 2018 11:50 pm Re: Which vst for the orchestral and the choirs?

Trancer wrote:
El-bo

Kontakt + expansions, a great alternative.


To clarify: The specific libraries I linked to work with the free Kontakt player, so represent even better value. They also have a few other player libraries.
Those choir libraries were on sale last month, for $60 each, and according to the guy I spoke to they will repeat the sale before the end of the year. Even if you can't wait, I think they represent great value. You might even decide that you don't need both to get the effect you are after :tu:
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Postby noiseboyuk; Sat Aug 11, 2018 12:04 am Re: Which vst for the orchestral and the choirs?

Yes, I'd advise against jumping into the full world of orchestral VSTs which is expensive and requires a huge learning curve and skill. "orchestral" stuff used in genres like Trance doesn't really require it. I was struck when reading that Lana Del Rey's Video Games used a very low end patch for the strings, either SampleTank or Miroslav or something. But even that pretty subtle case (obviously not trance) it worked great in context. Unless you're looking to genuinely sound like a full symphonic orchestra but more looking for orchestral flavours, there are these much cheaper options. IMO genre work like this in general its about creating an orchestral flavour more than shooting for the stars with it - absolute realism isn't the aim or point. Hip Hop does this all the time too.

So yeah, the Nexus Hollywood expansions, Miroslav etc would fit the bill very nicely as long as there's no expectation of sounding like John Williams with them.
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Postby SparkySpark; Sat Aug 11, 2018 12:35 am Re: Which vst for the orchestral and the choirs?

Precisely my point, well put! Besides, if sounds aren't so sample-heavy they are faster to browse, making composing much more fun. I use XPand!2 all the time and yet no one has complained. :)

What I do is to layer the sounds straight in that plugin (one can layer up to four sounds) and the basses I run through the eminent Transpire by Sonic Anomaly.

As I said, it's not just about the sample quality.
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el-bo (formerly ebow)
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Postby el-bo (formerly ebow); Sat Aug 11, 2018 1:02 am Re: Which vst for the orchestral and the choirs?

noiseboyuk wrote:Yes, I'd advise against jumping into the full world of orchestral VSTs which is expensive and requires a huge learning curve and skill. "orchestral" stuff used in genres like Trance doesn't really require it. I was struck when reading that Lana Del Rey's Video Games used a very low end patch for the strings, either SampleTank or Miroslav or something. But even that pretty subtle case (obviously not trance) it worked great in context. Unless you're looking to genuinely sound like a full symphonic orchestra but more looking for orchestral flavours, there are these much cheaper options. IMO genre work like this in general its about creating an orchestral flavour more than shooting for the stars with it - absolute realism isn't the aim or point. Hip Hop does this all the time too.

So yeah, the Nexus Hollywood expansions, Miroslav etc would fit the bill very nicely as long as there's no expectation of sounding like John Williams with them.


Great advice! I still have not outgrown the original Miroslav, which I still think is greater than the sum of it's parts. And I genuinely think that Omnisphere's strings and voices are a great adjunct to help things sound more 'slick'.

Also, depending on which daw the op uses, it would be worth exploring the included sounds. Certainly, if he/she is using Logic, they're are off to a great start!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HR96tQk ... gs=pl%2Cwn

And if the ends up buying Kontakt, then the included library will go a long way :tu:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2SnAj4s ... gs=pl%2Cwn
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Postby Zexila; Sat Aug 11, 2018 1:36 am Re: Which vst for the orchestral and the choirs?

Trancer wrote:Thank you really for your videos and your involvement.

I will listen to this with my greatest attention.

I just went to listen to the series Zero G Ehtera, that's exactly what I'm looking for.

A very big thank you, just perfect.

In addition the bundle is 200 euros, we must add Kontakt, but, considering all products compatible with this product, a good investment in time.


Awesome. :hug:

About orchestra, I think Nexus expansions will give you exactly what you need, instant gratification, more polished and ready to go sounds for trance use, do check them out, think they are labeled "Hollywood". :tu:

Yeah, there's quite a few too

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s5usnNvOALI

On long run I would invest in instruments part of this library, that can fill your arsenal quite nicely:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RXUH7qVkx28
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bigcat1969
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Postby bigcat1969; Sun Aug 12, 2018 1:29 pm Re: Which vst for the orchestral and the choirs?

If you are looking for a cheap orchestra...
http://vis.versilstudios.net/vsco-community.html

Also get Drummica and crossgrade if you are going Kontakt, $250 instead of $400 or wait for a half price sale around Black Friday and get it for $200.

Then there are tons of freebies including Palette-Primary Colors, some old cat's renditions of VSCO2 for Kontakt and of course all the orchestral and other stuff in the factory library which sounds better than Miro 1 or 2. And factory library has a nice choir included...
https://freedigitalinstruments.wordpres ... struments/
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Etienne1973
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Postby Etienne1973; Sun Aug 12, 2018 2:22 pm Re: Which vst for the orchestral and the choirs?

bigcat1969 wrote:Also get Drummica and crossgrade if you are going Kontakt, $250 instead of $400 or wait for a half price sale around Black Friday and get it for $200.

In 2015 (NI 50% Summer Sale) it was even possible to crossgrade from Drummica for $124.50.
https://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=6171965
bigcat1969
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Postby bigcat1969; Sun Aug 12, 2018 3:01 pm Re: Which vst for the orchestral and the choirs?

I think it was possible about 2 months ago as well but didn't figure I would mention it.
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Postby Trancer; Sun Aug 12, 2018 4:28 pm Re: Which vst for the orchestral and the choirs?

SparkySpark

Thank you very much, it was not easy to decide for vst, but, well, at some point, you have to make choices. I almost took Sylenth 1 too.

To complete the provisional opinion on Omnisphere 2 and Kontakt, I really love the Zero G series, but, Omnisphere 2 for the moment, catches all my attention.

A very big thank you for your advice and opinion.

After listening to everything you have advised me, I will take the first expansion for the Nexus 2.

On the other hand, it's been two nights, I'm listening to Omnisphere 2 and different vst of the Aeris genre and Analog strings to name only them and but it still requires reflection and listening again, I have a preference for Omnisphere 2 as now.
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