PC monitor screen: what specs are important for recording studio?

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ilwoody
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Post Sun Sep 02, 2018 4:42 am

Hello, I'd like to purchase two 21.5" monitors for my pc and home studio.

I never thought about it, but I'm wondering now if there are any recommendation for monitor screens, not in term of inch (I supposed the larger the better), but for resolution or other specs.

Would a couple of anything simple like this monitor work?
https://www.amazon.it/dp/B0732RBR3J

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Post Sun Sep 02, 2018 5:11 am

If you have the space, do yourself a favour, and don't buy two 21.5" monitors. Too small in my opinion. I switched from a 21.5" to a 24.5" some months ago, and really appreciate the bigger size. The font was tiny, as were details when i play games. As you mentioned, the larger, the better.

Scotty
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Post Sun Sep 02, 2018 5:49 am

If desk space it tight you'd be better off with one 40 inch monitor (or bigger) and run it at 4k resolution. Unless you are a gamer you don't need to worry about screen latency or super high refresh rates. A repurposed large screen 4k TV will do the trick just fine and probably cheaper than a 4k monitor only solution. If you are also a graphic designer/artist where colour correction is important you'd want to me very fussy about the monitor ... Otherwise you'll be fine with most low cost 4k monitors/ TV for audio editing purposes.
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ilwoody
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Post Sun Sep 02, 2018 6:24 am

Scotty wrote:If desk space it tight you'd be better off with one 40 inch monitor (or bigger) and run it at 4k resolution. Unless you are a gamer you don't need to worry about screen latency or super high refresh rates. A repurposed large screen 4k TV will do the trick just fine and probably cheaper than a 4k monitor only solution. If you are also a graphic designer/artist where colour correction is important you'd want to me very fussy about the monitor ... Otherwise you'll be fine with most low cost 4k monitors/ TV for audio editing purposes.
Alright, thank you so much. I believe that two 4k 28" monitors may work as well instead of one 40 inch monitor.

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Post Sun Sep 02, 2018 7:12 am

IMO 28" 4k will drive you nuts. At 1:1 it will be too small to read, so you will endlessly fight software that scales differently. The sweet spot for 4k (depending on eyesight) is between 38" to 50". 50" gets a bit big on the table. So, I'm a proponent of 48" myself.
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Post Sun Sep 02, 2018 7:23 am

By the way, buying a 4k monitor and scaling it up 200% so you can read it is dumb. Your money would be better spent on a monitor with a nominal ratio that is readable in the native mode. I have a 30" monitor with native 2560 x 1600. It is a perfect balance of size, readability and desktop real estate. And I don't have to put up with all of that 4k scaling nonsense. Whenever I see "HD" monitors marketed as a good thing, I want to kick the assholes in marketing in the nuts. About the only selling point for 1920x1080 at size is they are now cheap. We've had higher DPI monitors with better pictures for 25 years or more.
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Post Sun Sep 02, 2018 7:41 am

One more pedantic point ... I have given up and started calling UHD 4k. In the monitor world there are actually 4k monitors 4096 x 2160 in a 16:9 ratio. UHD is 3840 x 2160 for 16:9. The VAST majority of TVs are UHD not 4k, even though everyone calls them 4k and broadcasters say they have 4k channels.

The main thing you want for a MONITOR is readability for the size and resolution. Don't get led down the fools path of retina bullshit.
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Post Sun Sep 02, 2018 8:22 am

Dual 28 inch 4k monitors are not good for audio work. The text and vsts are extremely small. Most audio pros who are wanting 4k would recommend at least a 40 inch 4k monitor. I know first hand. I had two dell 28 inch 4k monitors that I just couldn't use for audio editing because the pixels were just two small. I did scale them down to 2560 X 1440 which works but they aren't as sharp as they should be. Going with a single 40 inch or larger 4k monitor is better than two 28inch 4k monitors in my experience.
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Post Sun Sep 02, 2018 9:27 am

Given that many(?) DAWS and plug-ins use bit-maps for their images, isn't the dot pitch of the screens one of the most important factors?
  • My 22" monitors with native 1680×1050 resolution have a dot pitch of 0.282 mm (90 pixels/inch),
  • A 30" monitor with native 2560 x 1600 resolution has a dot pitch of 0.25 mm (100.6 pixels/inch),
  • A 28" monitor with native 3840 x 2160 resolution has a dot pitch of 0.161 mm (157.3 pixels/inch).
  • A 40" monitor with native 3840 x 2160 resolution has a dot pitch of 0.231 mm (110.1 pixels/inch).
So a line of 540 pixels would be 6" long, here, 5.37" for SJ_Digriz, 3.43" on the smaller 4K screen and 4.9" on the larger one.

I would go for dual lower-resolution monitors. After all, when one fails, you still have the other one and the replacement cost is lower. When I bought mine I took some screenshots of various plug-ins into the shop on a USB stick and asked to to see them on various screens.

Also, stick to the native resolution. Others will blur the image whatever the resolution and size.

I have seen some posts saying that vector graphics is the way to go. For that the smaller the dot pitch (the more pixels per inch) the better. But I think I saw that vector graphics has its own issues, not least, getting the developers to adopt it.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dot_pitch
https://www.sven.de/dpi/
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Post Sun Sep 02, 2018 9:32 am

I would also add that there is a distance from screen issue as well. The further away, the bigger the monitor needs to be for a given resolution. That 30” monitor of mine is ~2 feet in front of me. If I was 5 feet I would want somewhere between 40” and 48” to achieve the same legibility at 2560x1600..
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Post Sun Sep 02, 2018 9:36 am

Agreed, I sit at arm's length away (3 feet or so). That way I can see either screen without too much head-turning.
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Post Sun Sep 02, 2018 11:42 am

My comments were assuming about arms length - 3 feet from the eyes. For context.
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Post Sat Sep 15, 2018 1:05 am

SJ_Digriz wrote:I would also add that there is a distance from screen issue as well. The further away, the bigger the monitor needs to be for a given resolution. That 30” monitor of mine is ~2 feet in front of me. If I was 5 feet I would want somewhere between 40” and 48” to achieve the same legibility at 2560x1600..
Yes, this is the most important stuff - viewing angle you get from distance you watch?

Have a look here before getting into 4k:
http://www.red.com/learn/red-101/eyesig ... on-viewing

40" at about 5'(1.5m)= 33 degrees that means 0.5 arcmin eye resolution if UHD
48" at about 1.5m= 39 degrees meaning 0.6 arcmin eye resolution to actually resolve pixels.

General idea is that grown ups are about 1 arcmin eyesight. You don't need to entirely resolve all pixels to perceive an image as improved, but up there is a good idea. This is for watching images then - which is not primary goal unless you do film score and watch video etc.

But a fact is also if we have only 1 arcmin we probably wear glasses for the purpose as well, and down to optimum on Red-site you can look for. So down to 0.60 arc minutes or close to will probably have better perceived quality of images in 4k. But down closer to 0.50 arcmin you will not see a difference between full HD and UHD - so get a full HD monitor/tv instead.

On this computer I visit internet on I am at 75 cm distance from an 24" monitor - and that might be ok with 4k - if to use for gaming etc. On my daw I use 2x 27" monitors at 85 cm distance and might just a problem getting 4k - also doing video editing and film score etc.

So maybe not go into the pixel hunting game - is the general tip from me.

I investigated/nerded if to get into 4k for gaming a while a go and put formula in calculator so just put some viewing angle here for you.

24" -monitor at
0.75m = 39 degress viewing angle 0.6 arc minutes
1m= 30 degrees 0.46 UHD arcmin
1.5m=20 degrees 0.31 UHD arcmin

27" monitor at
0.75m=43 0.68 here a good chance to see improvment as images
1m=33 0.52
1.5m=23 degrees and 0.35 arcmin

32" monitor at
0.75m=50 and 0.79 you will see improvement
1m= 39 and 0.60 you probably see improvement
1.5m=27 and 0.42

40" monitor at
0.75m=61 and 0.95 you will clearly see improvment, but not comfortable that close
1m=48 and 0.75 you will probably be good with this
1.5m=33 and 0.51

47" monitor at
0.75m=69 and 1.09 too close to be comfortable
1m=54 and 0.85 too close to be comfortable
1.5m=38 and 0.60 is probably rather nice

This was all for UHD and for full HD you just double arcmin values how good eyesight you need. Viewing angle is the same. So up there 40-45 degrees is a good start for image type of watching.

We can take a couple large for main home screen as well, with longer watching distance

55" monitor at
2m= 34 degrees and 0.52
2.5m=27 and 0.42
3m(10')=23 degrees and 0.36 arcmin

so no point having 4k basically.

60" monitor(what Sony recommended minimum for 4k) at
2m= 37 and 0.57 and probably perceived better on 4k
2.5m=30 and 0.46
3m=25 and 0.39

65" monitor at
2m=40 and 0.62 will be rather good improvement on 4k
2.5m=32 and 0.5
3.0m=27 and 0.42

75" monitor at
2m=45 and 0.70
2.5m=38 and 0.57 this and closer distance really good for 4k
3m=31 and 0.48

Enoughing nerding for now...

Astralv
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774 posts since 26 Jan, 2014 from United States of America

Re: PC monitor screen: what specs are important for recording studio?

Post Sat Sep 15, 2018 6:00 pm

I have 2 Dell 43 inches in $k resolution. Allows me to see more audio tracks vertically and more plugins. If I was not using software synths.3+, 2K long display is nice to see longer audio tracks.

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