Looking for a synth with selectable vowels in the formant filter

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chk071
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17277 posts since 11 Apr, 2010 from Germany

Post Sun Sep 16, 2018 2:53 am

pdxindy wrote:
Mushy Mushy wrote:
pdxindy wrote:Icarus
Thanks, I'll keep it in mind if Lush101 doesn't come through for me.
Icarus has 2 filters... each can be set to any of dozens of filter types. Those types include IEA, AOU, IEAOU...

Lush vowel filter sounds more like the specific vowels, however the Icarus vowel filters are decent and of course since it is a wavetable synth you have much more osc flexibility... you can resynthesize audio into wavetables. You can use straight samples too. The wavetables also have the morph parameter which includes formant and vocoder options. So you can do all sorts of vocal sounds even before getting to the vowel filters.
Recently demo'd Icarus again, and... it's simply a great synth. Might pick it up on the next sale. Very fun to play around with. And, for a Tone2 synth, it's even pretty straight forward, with a classic workflow, and approach, which is quite rare on their synths. ;)

chk071
KVRAF
17277 posts since 11 Apr, 2010 from Germany

Re: Looking for a synth with selectable vowels in the formant filter

Post Sun Sep 16, 2018 2:54 am

Some more vowel filters with selectable vowels: Audiothing The Orb or The Orb CM (pretty limited compared to the full version though...), and Tone2 Wamverb/Multi FX and BiFilter 2.

None of those beat the one in LuSH-101 though. :(

Mushy Mushy
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10072 posts since 7 Sep, 2008

Re: Looking for a synth with selectable vowels in the formant filter

Post Sun Sep 16, 2018 2:58 am

chk071 wrote:Some more vowel filters with selectable vowels: Audiothing The Orb or The Orb CM (pretty limited compared to the full version though...), and Tone2 Wamverb/Multi FX and BiFilter 2.

None of those beat the one in LuSH-101 though. :(
Thanks. I already have Orb and love it. However, as I said above, I'd like the features to exist in a synth so that the patch is self contained.
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chk071
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17277 posts since 11 Apr, 2010 from Germany

Re: Looking for a synth with selectable vowels in the formant filter

Post Sun Sep 16, 2018 3:05 am

Ah... nevermind then. :)

Mushy Mushy
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10072 posts since 7 Sep, 2008

Re: Looking for a synth with selectable vowels in the formant filter

Post Sun Sep 16, 2018 3:06 am

chk071 wrote:Ah... nevermind then. :)
8)
"I was wondering if you'd like to try Magic Mushrooms"
"Oooh I dont know. Sounds a bit scary"
"It's not scary. You just lose a sense of who you are and all that sh!t"

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pdxindy
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14016 posts since 3 Feb, 2005 from in the wilds

Re: Looking for a synth with selectable vowels in the formant filter

Post Sun Sep 16, 2018 9:14 am

Mushy Mushy wrote:Thanks guys but to reiterate I need the synth to specify the actual vowel letters. I already have many vowel/formant synths including my beloved Serum but I want to be able to specifically select A for example.

aMUSEd understands as do a few others. Just downloaded Razor now. Phoneme also looks good but a bit too good if that’s possible. I want it to sound robotic and not overly realistic.

Keep ‘em coming though.
Just for selecting specific vowels, I like the sound of Lush better than most. Lots of vowel filters sound a bit mushy (pardon the pun). Lush sounds pretty good in that regard.

Phonem can sound quite realistic. Phonem has a pitch track. Subtle pitch variation on each phoneme gives it a more realistic character. Turn off the pitch track and offset the formants a bit and it can sound more robotic.

Phonem is not so easy and fast as just selecting the vowel sounds as in Lush. However, I actually find it easier in that it tends to sound good across the keyboard range and is precise to tweak... whereas with vowel filters I end up liking how it sounds on a few notes, but other notes are not what I want, especially on low keys.

The other thing with Phonem, there is control over how each vowel blends with the next and you have many different phonemes to choose from including multiple variations of AA or EE etc. Plus if you want to, you can go in and edit the frequency and gain of individual peaks in each phoneme.

It may not be what you are looking for in this instance, but it is quite unique and lovely sounding. Here is a quick example I just made with minimal tweaking.

https://dandelionaudio.com/sound/Phonem3.mp3

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ThePresent
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408 posts since 17 Dec, 2013 from The Netherlands

Re: Looking for a synth with selectable vowels in the formant filter

Post Mon Sep 17, 2018 2:07 am

If you have uhe Bazille in your DAW, you can make it happen with that synth. It has 4 filters which can be used parallel and/or in series and really flexible modulation possibilities

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SciFiArtMan
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1040 posts since 24 May, 2006 from Our Amazing Oasis in Space - USA Section

Re: Looking for a synth with selectable vowels in the formant filter

Post Mon Sep 17, 2018 2:58 am

Five or six years ago I stumbled across a little freeware synth plugin that had a small joystick controller circle at the top of the GUI that had 6-8 points around the circle, each with its own formant sound. The synth sound was very simple and I never could get a good sound to use with this interesting fomant ring idea, which worked pretty well. I couldn't figure out how to use the ring in a live performance situation, but you could apply the formant changes in a second pass recording, controlling the ring changes with a mouse. How cool this effect would be connected to a good sampler or rompler! (maybe the dev could be convinced to further develop the idea, or allow someone else to give it a try?)

If anyone has any idea what plugin this was, I'd love to play with it again!

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tonedef71
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901 posts since 21 Sep, 2007 from USA

Re: Looking for a synth with selectable vowels in the formant filter

Post Mon Sep 17, 2018 3:21 am

SciFiArtMan wrote:Five or six years ago I stumbled across a little freeware synth plugin that had a small joystick controller circle at the top of the GUI that had 6-8 points around the circle, each with its own formant sound. The synth sound was very simple and I never could get a good sound to use with this interesting fomant ring idea, which worked pretty well. I couldn't figure out how to use the ring in a live performance situation, but you could apply the formant changes in a second pass recording, controlling the ring changes with a mouse. How cool this effect would be connected to a good sampler or rompler! (maybe the dev could be convinced to further develop the idea, or allow someone else to give it a try?)

If anyone has any idea what plugin this was, I'd love to play with it again!
It sounds a little like the Aquest Vocalizer plugin. Aquest also put out a synth called AquesTone, but I have no experience with it.
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Dasheesh
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2693 posts since 22 Nov, 2012

Re: Looking for a synth with selectable vowels in the formant filter

Post Mon Sep 17, 2018 3:53 am


Mushy Mushy
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10072 posts since 7 Sep, 2008

Re: Looking for a synth with selectable vowels in the formant filter

Post Mon Sep 17, 2018 3:58 am

Mushy Mushy wrote:Thanks. I already have Orb and love it. However, as I said above, I'd like the features to exist in a synth so that the patch is self contained.
;)
"I was wondering if you'd like to try Magic Mushrooms"
"Oooh I dont know. Sounds a bit scary"
"It's not scary. You just lose a sense of who you are and all that sh!t"

chk071
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17277 posts since 11 Apr, 2010 from Germany

Re: Looking for a synth with selectable vowels in the formant filter

Post Mon Sep 17, 2018 4:01 am

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Mushy Mushy wrote:
chk071 wrote:Some more vowel filters with selectable vowels: Audiothing The Orb or The Orb CM (pretty limited compared to the full version though...), and Tone2 Wamverb/Multi FX and BiFilter 2.

None of those beat the one in LuSH-101 though. :(
Thanks. I already have Orb and love it. However, as I said above, I'd like the features to exist in a synth so that the patch is self contained.

Mushy Mushy
KVRAF
10072 posts since 7 Sep, 2008

Re: Looking for a synth with selectable vowels in the formant filter

Post Mon Sep 17, 2018 4:02 am

chk071 wrote:
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Mushy Mushy wrote:
chk071 wrote:Some more vowel filters with selectable vowels: Audiothing The Orb or The Orb CM (pretty limited compared to the full version though...), and Tone2 Wamverb/Multi FX and BiFilter 2.

None of those beat the one in LuSH-101 though. :(
Thanks. I already have Orb and love it. However, as I said above, I'd like the features to exist in a synth so that the patch is self contained.
:D
"I was wondering if you'd like to try Magic Mushrooms"
"Oooh I dont know. Sounds a bit scary"
"It's not scary. You just lose a sense of who you are and all that sh!t"

Mushy Mushy
KVRAF
10072 posts since 7 Sep, 2008

Re: Looking for a synth with selectable vowels in the formant filter

Post Mon Sep 17, 2018 4:03 am

pdxindy wrote:
Mushy Mushy wrote:Thanks guys but to reiterate I need the synth to specify the actual vowel letters. I already have many vowel/formant synths including my beloved Serum but I want to be able to specifically select A for example.

aMUSEd understands as do a few others. Just downloaded Razor now. Phoneme also looks good but a bit too good if that’s possible. I want it to sound robotic and not overly realistic.

Keep ‘em coming though.
Just for selecting specific vowels, I like the sound of Lush better than most. Lots of vowel filters sound a bit mushy (pardon the pun). Lush sounds pretty good in that regard.

Phonem can sound quite realistic. Phonem has a pitch track. Subtle pitch variation on each phoneme gives it a more realistic character. Turn off the pitch track and offset the formants a bit and it can sound more robotic.

Phonem is not so easy and fast as just selecting the vowel sounds as in Lush. However, I actually find it easier in that it tends to sound good across the keyboard range and is precise to tweak... whereas with vowel filters I end up liking how it sounds on a few notes, but other notes are not what I want, especially on low keys.

The other thing with Phonem, there is control over how each vowel blends with the next and you have many different phonemes to choose from including multiple variations of AA or EE etc. Plus if you want to, you can go in and edit the frequency and gain of individual peaks in each phoneme.

It may not be what you are looking for in this instance, but it is quite unique and lovely sounding. Here is a quick example I just made with minimal tweaking.

https://dandelionaudio.com/sound/Phonem3.mp3
This sounds fantastic. I bought LuSH101 over the weekend so if that doesn't pay off then Phonem it is.
"I was wondering if you'd like to try Magic Mushrooms"
"Oooh I dont know. Sounds a bit scary"
"It's not scary. You just lose a sense of who you are and all that sh!t"

Mushy Mushy
KVRAF
10072 posts since 7 Sep, 2008

Re: Looking for a synth with selectable vowels in the formant filter

Post Mon Sep 17, 2018 4:04 am

ThePresent wrote:If you have uhe Bazille in your DAW, you can make it happen with that synth. It has 4 filters which can be used parallel and/or in series and really flexible modulation possibilities
I've never actually tried Bazille. This could be the impetus I need 8)
"I was wondering if you'd like to try Magic Mushrooms"
"Oooh I dont know. Sounds a bit scary"
"It's not scary. You just lose a sense of who you are and all that sh!t"

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